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Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 173, Issue 1

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Sennet Williams
Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:03 PM

Approval voting is almost certainly unconstitutional.  One-person, one vote is the U.S. law.    On Wednesday, November 7, 2018, 1:02:01 PM PST, election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com wrote:

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Approval voting is almost certainly unconstitutional.  One-person, one vote is the U.S. law. On Wednesday, November 7, 2018, 1:02:01 PM PST, <election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com> wrote: Send Election-Methods mailing list submissions to     election-methods@lists.electorama.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com You can reach the person managing the list at     election-methods-owner@lists.electorama.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Election-Methods digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Fargo North Approves Approval Voting. (??alabio?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:41:08 +0000 From: ??alabio? <Walabio@MacOSX.Com> To: ApprovalVoting@yahoogroups.com, RangeVoting@yahoogroups.com, EM     <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> Subject: [EM] Fargo North Approves Approval Voting. Message-ID: <2B0557AC-6197-4F35-9D52-55AC609DBD2A@MacOSX.Com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii     The title says it all. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Election-Methods mailing list Election-Methods@lists.electorama.com http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com ------------------------------ End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 173, Issue 1 ************************************************
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robert bristow-johnson
Thu, Nov 8, 2018 3:30 AM


Sennet, the principle of "one-person, one vote" is not about how many candidates a voter can vote for.� certainly there are cases when voters in the U.S. can mark their ballots supporting more than one candidate.� and i don't mean in different
races.
practically any multi-winner election involves inviting the voter to mark their ballots for multiple candidates up to a limit.� usually that limit is the number of open seats, but there is no reason it has to be.
One-person, one-vote means two or three things:

  1. Each
    voter gets the same voting power.� The rules applied to eligible voters are the same for each eligible voter in the same jurisdiction.
  2. Each voters representation in any government is virtually the same for everyone.
  3. No voter may vote on the same election day in more than one
    jurisdiction.� I have a condo in Waltham MA and a home in Burlington VT.� I can choose which will be my "permanent address" and vote there.� But I may not vote in both places on the same election day.
    Opponents to IRV in Burlington Vermont were trying to use the same
    trope against IRV (or any RCV) saying that, by marking our ballots multiple times for different candidates running for the same office was violating one-person one-vote.� That argument didn't go very far in the courts, but it has, like other political speech, been effective with the electorate
    in some occasions.

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Date: Wed, November 7, 2018 5:03 pm

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Approval voting is almost certainly unconstitutional.� One-person, one vote is the U.S. law.�

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:41:08 +0000

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Subject: [EM] Fargo North Approves Approval Voting.

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� Sennet, the principle of "one-person, one vote" is not about how many candidates a voter can vote for.� certainly there are cases when voters in the U.S. can mark their ballots supporting more than one candidate.� and i don't mean in different races. practically any multi-winner election involves inviting the voter to mark their ballots for multiple candidates up to a limit.� usually that limit is the number of open seats, but there is no reason it has to be. One-person, one-vote means two or three things: 1. Each voter gets the same voting power.� The rules applied to eligible voters are the same for each eligible voter in the same jurisdiction. 2. Each voters representation in any government is virtually the same for everyone. 3. No voter may vote on the same election day in more than one jurisdiction.� I have a condo in Waltham MA and a home in Burlington VT.� I can choose which will be my "permanent address" and vote there.� But I may not vote in both places on the same election day. Opponents to IRV in Burlington Vermont were trying to use the same trope against IRV (or any RCV) saying that, by marking our ballots multiple times for different candidates running for the same office was violating one-person one-vote.� That argument didn't go very far in the courts, but it has, like other political speech, been effective with the electorate in some occasions. � ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 173, Issue 1 From: "Sennet Williams" <sennetwilliams@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, November 7, 2018 5:03 pm To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Approval voting is almost certainly unconstitutional.� One-person, one vote is the U.S. law.� > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:41:08 +0000 > From: ??alabio? <Walabio@MacOSX.Com> > To: ApprovalVoting@yahoogroups.com, RangeVoting@yahoogroups.com, EM > ��� <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> > Subject: [EM] Fargo North Approves Approval Voting. > Message-ID: <2B0557AC-6197-4F35-9D52-55AC609DBD2A@MacOSX.Com> > Content-Type: text/plain;��� charset=us-ascii > > ��� The title says it all. > > > ------------------------------ > > � � � -- r b-j� � � � � � � � � � � � �rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." � � � �