Fwd: Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections
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From: Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 22:37
Subject: Re: [EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming
enactment-elections
To: Closed Limelike Curves closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com
So far no one but me has expressed a ranking for the choice of a
Condorcet-complying method for the poll’s choice.
It probably won’t matter, because there will probably be a CW. But as I
mentioned in a reply, an output-ranking requiremes about as many exhaustive
pairwise counts as there are candidates…& there are 24 candidates so far.
…greatly increasing the likelihood of a circular tie. …we don’t have
agreement on a completion rule.
So let’s vote on that. Let’s rank a few of our favorite Condorcet
complying methods.
…& because the desire for an output-ranking greatly increases the
likelihood of a circular tie, & we don’t have an agreed/upon completion
rule, then designate a method for Voter’s Choice:
You automatically approve the candidate that your designated method
chooses, & everything you like more.
… &, if we can’t get any rankings, can we at least get a few likes?:
So far, I find that, for the poll’s choice-method,
MinMax(wv), Schulze, & Condorcet-IRV each have 2 likes: A 3-way tie.
So, does anyone like one those more than the others??
If so, express that, & there will be a most-liked Condorcet method for
counting the poll.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 21:34 Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
Closed, my favorite is Approval, & I prefer Score to the ranked-methods,
due to its relative simplicity & FBC compliance… especially when it’s used
right…voting max &
zero, & using partial-points only when it’s uncertain whether a candidate
deserves approval.
But, realistically, EM prefers Condorcet complying methods.
To vote on the choice of a voting method for the poll:
(#1 is of interest, but #2 is primary)
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What are a few of your most favorite of those?
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Rank a few of your favorites in order of preference.
…&, in case there’s a circlular-tie, designate a method whose winner you’d
approve, along with whatever you like better.
That’s the Voter’s Choice solution if there’s circular-tie, when we don’t
have an agreed-upon completion-rule.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 20:40 Closed Limelike Curves <
closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote:
Kristofer, what method should be used to poll on the preference on
methods?
Here, I'd just say that the ideal is to collect cardinal ballots and
release them completely, so we can calculate any method we want.
Personally, I'd like to do a complete data analysis that probably
wouldn't use any particular voting method.
On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:34 AM robert bristow-johnson <
rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:
Kristofer, what method should be used to poll on the preference on
methods?
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*From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
*Date: *Sat, Apr 6, 2024 10:04
*To: *Toby Pereira;Filip Ejlak;Michael Ossipoff;
*Cc: *EM;
*Subject:*Re: [EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming
enactment-elections
On 2024-04-06 09:14, Toby Pereira wrote:
I notice you haven't included my nominations. I'm guessing you blocked
me after you threw your toys out of the pram over your "Bias Free"
method on the Voting Theory Forum. I notice Kristofer suggested some
methods that aren't in the list either. I'm not sure this can really
count as a poll of EM members if this person has decided to selectively
ignore people.
Maybe somebody else could run the poll? I'd nominate myself, but I've
got two people blocked.
I guess I could unplonk them for the duration if no better solution
presents itself -- but if MO has got me blocked too, it'd be far from ideal.
-km
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