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RB
robert bristow-johnson
Wed, Feb 16, 2022 7:48 AM

In my paper:

The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view

I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two principles:

(1) One person, one vote
(2) Majority rule

and these three desirable properties of elections:

(3) Avoid spoiler effect
(4) Disincentivize tactical voting
(5) Precinct summability

I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the "Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives" (I am of the school that says any loser that changes the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of winning.)

(5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of fair and honest elections.

Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)?  In my paper I describe (4) as:

  1. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”.

Is there a technical name for (4)?  Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"?

Please remember that I am the neophyte schlub in this group.  Come to an Audio DSP forum and I might not be the schlub in that group.

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In my paper: The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two principles: (1) One person, one vote (2) Majority rule and these three desirable properties of elections: (3) Avoid spoiler effect (4) Disincentivize tactical voting (5) Precinct summability I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the "Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives" (I am of the school that says *any* loser that changes the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of winning.) (5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of fair and honest elections. Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)? In my paper I describe (4) as: 4. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”. Is there a technical name for (4)? Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"? Please remember that I am the neophyte schlub in this group. Come to an Audio DSP forum and I might not be the schlub in that group. -- r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." . . .
KM
Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Wed, Feb 16, 2022 12:21 PM

On 16.02.2022 08:48, robert bristow-johnson wrote:

In my paper:

The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose
for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view

I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two principles:

(1) One person, one vote
(2) Majority rule

and these three desirable properties of elections:

(3) Avoid spoiler effect
(4) Disincentivize tactical voting
(5) Precinct summability

I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in
scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the
"Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant
Alternatives" (I am of the school that says any loser that changes
the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of
winning.)

There are two "shouldn't matter who you are" criteria. There's
anonymity, which means that there are no privileged voters; and there's
neutrality, which means that there are no privileged candidates. For
instance, the Ranked Pairs version where you set a tiebreaker first
violates neutrality, because the candidate who's first on the tiebreaker
has an advantage simply due to who he is. A method that lets the chair's
vote count double violates anonymity.

Strictly speaking, IRV passes both of these. I think you need something
that's more about the relative power of a vote, so that you could
capture the problem of IRV ignoring some votes' later preferences while
accepting others'. But I don't know of any term that captures this well.

(5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of
fair and honest elections.

Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)?  In my
paper I describe (4) as:

  1. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters
    should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the
    candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think
    is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for
    their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their
    vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able
    to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”.

Is there a technical name for (4)?  Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"?

Favorite betrayal is one kind of protection from strategic voting. It
basically says "you never need to do a compromising strategy". There are
others, like in Plurality or IRV where you never need to do a burial
strategy.
It's not possible for a deterministic ranked voting method to be
completely free of the need to use strategy, and the reason is actually
related to IIA.

So a method that passes IIA more often should be less susceptible to
strategy. And James Green-Armytage found that making a method Condorcet
compliant never increases the number of times that strategy pays off (if
that method is of a form that a coordinated majority can always force an
outcome).

"Voting your hopes rather than your fears" sounds like immunity to
compromising. If that's right, then favorite betrayal is indeed what you
want. Condorcet methods can't pass this criterion, but some methods come
very close. (And every Condorcet method passes it when there's a honest
CW and the strategists can't engineer a cycle.)

But for the more general concept, I don't think there is one. You could
say "strategy-proofness" or the method being strategy-proof -- that's
the closest you can get, I think.

-km

On 16.02.2022 08:48, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > In my paper: > > The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose > for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view > > I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two principles: > > (1) One person, one vote > (2) Majority rule > > and these three desirable properties of elections: > > (3) Avoid spoiler effect > (4) Disincentivize tactical voting > (5) Precinct summability > > I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in > scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the > "Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant > Alternatives" (I am of the school that says *any* loser that changes > the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of > winning.) There are two "shouldn't matter who you are" criteria. There's anonymity, which means that there are no privileged voters; and there's neutrality, which means that there are no privileged candidates. For instance, the Ranked Pairs version where you set a tiebreaker first violates neutrality, because the candidate who's first on the tiebreaker has an advantage simply due to who he is. A method that lets the chair's vote count double violates anonymity. Strictly speaking, IRV passes both of these. I think you need something that's more about the relative power of a vote, so that you could capture the problem of IRV ignoring some votes' later preferences while accepting others'. But I don't know of any term that captures this well. > (5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of > fair and honest elections. > > Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)? In my > paper I describe (4) as: > > 4. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters > should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the > candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think > is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for > their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their > vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able > to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”. > > Is there a technical name for (4)? Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"? Favorite betrayal is one kind of protection from strategic voting. It basically says "you never need to do a compromising strategy". There are others, like in Plurality or IRV where you never need to do a burial strategy. It's not possible for a deterministic ranked voting method to be completely free of the need to use strategy, and the reason is actually related to IIA. So a method that passes IIA more often should be less susceptible to strategy. And James Green-Armytage found that making a method Condorcet compliant never increases the number of times that strategy pays off (if that method is of a form that a coordinated majority can always force an outcome). "Voting your hopes rather than your fears" sounds like immunity to compromising. If that's right, then favorite betrayal is indeed what you want. Condorcet methods can't pass this criterion, but some methods come very close. (And every Condorcet method passes it when there's a honest CW and the strategists can't engineer a cycle.) But for the more general concept, I don't think there is one. You could say "strategy-proofness" or the method being strategy-proof -- that's the closest you can get, I think. -km
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Andy Dienes
Wed, Feb 16, 2022 6:43 PM

Other scholarly terms for "avoid strategic behavior" might be to describe
the mechanism as "incentive compatible" or "strongly/weakly truthful."

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:21 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:

On 16.02.2022 08:48, robert bristow-johnson wrote:

In my paper:

The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose
for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view

I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two

principles:

(1) One person, one vote
(2) Majority rule

and these three desirable properties of elections:

(3) Avoid spoiler effect
(4) Disincentivize tactical voting
(5) Precinct summability

I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in
scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the
"Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant
Alternatives" (I am of the school that says any loser that changes
the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of
winning.)

There are two "shouldn't matter who you are" criteria. There's
anonymity, which means that there are no privileged voters; and there's
neutrality, which means that there are no privileged candidates. For
instance, the Ranked Pairs version where you set a tiebreaker first
violates neutrality, because the candidate who's first on the tiebreaker
has an advantage simply due to who he is. A method that lets the chair's
vote count double violates anonymity.

Strictly speaking, IRV passes both of these. I think you need something
that's more about the relative power of a vote, so that you could
capture the problem of IRV ignoring some votes' later preferences while
accepting others'. But I don't know of any term that captures this well.

(5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of
fair and honest elections.

Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)?  In my
paper I describe (4) as:

  1. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters
    should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the
    candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think
    is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for
    their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their
    vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able
    to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”.

Is there a technical name for (4)?  Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"?

Favorite betrayal is one kind of protection from strategic voting. It
basically says "you never need to do a compromising strategy". There are
others, like in Plurality or IRV where you never need to do a burial
strategy.
It's not possible for a deterministic ranked voting method to be
completely free of the need to use strategy, and the reason is actually
related to IIA.

So a method that passes IIA more often should be less susceptible to
strategy. And James Green-Armytage found that making a method Condorcet
compliant never increases the number of times that strategy pays off (if
that method is of a form that a coordinated majority can always force an
outcome).

"Voting your hopes rather than your fears" sounds like immunity to
compromising. If that's right, then favorite betrayal is indeed what you
want. Condorcet methods can't pass this criterion, but some methods come
very close. (And every Condorcet method passes it when there's a honest
CW and the strategists can't engineer a cycle.)

But for the more general concept, I don't think there is one. You could
say "strategy-proofness" or the method being strategy-proof -- that's
the closest you can get, I think.

-km

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Other scholarly terms for "avoid strategic behavior" might be to describe the mechanism as "incentive compatible" or "strongly/weakly truthful." On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:21 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote: > On 16.02.2022 08:48, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > > In my paper: > > > > The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to accomplish the very purpose > > for which it was adopted: An object lesson in Burlington Vermont > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhFQfEoxSdyRz5SqEjZotbVDx4xshwM/view > > > > I wanted to boil down the Burlington 2009 IRV failure to these two > principles: > > > > (1) One person, one vote > > (2) Majority rule > > > > and these three desirable properties of elections: > > > > (3) Avoid spoiler effect > > (4) Disincentivize tactical voting > > (5) Precinct summability > > > > I believe that (1) is called the "Principle of Anonymity" in > > scholarly circles, that (2) (as stated in the paper) is the > > "Condorcet Criterion", and that (3) is "Independence of Irrelevant > > Alternatives" (I am of the school that says *any* loser that changes > > the winner is a spoiler, not just losers that have no chance of > > winning.) > > There are two "shouldn't matter who you are" criteria. There's > anonymity, which means that there are no privileged voters; and there's > neutrality, which means that there are no privileged candidates. For > instance, the Ranked Pairs version where you set a tiebreaker first > violates neutrality, because the candidate who's first on the tiebreaker > has an advantage simply due to who he is. A method that lets the chair's > vote count double violates anonymity. > > Strictly speaking, IRV passes both of these. I think you need something > that's more about the relative power of a vote, so that you could > capture the problem of IRV ignoring some votes' later preferences while > accepting others'. But I don't know of any term that captures this well. > > > (5) is simply about Process Transparency, an important principle of > > fair and honest elections. > > > > Is there a better or a more scholarly label for Property (4)? In my > > paper I describe (4) as: > > > > 4. Voters should not be called upon to do “tactical voting”. Voters > > should feel free to simply vote their conscience and vote for the > > candidates they like best, without worrying about whom that they think > > is most electable... They should not have to sacrifice their vote for > > their favorite choice because they are concerned about “wasting” their > > vote and helping elect the candidate they loathe. Voters should be able > > to “Vote their hopes rather than vote their fears”. > > > > Is there a technical name for (4)? Would it be "Favorite Betrayal"? > > Favorite betrayal is one kind of protection from strategic voting. It > basically says "you never need to do a compromising strategy". There are > others, like in Plurality or IRV where you never need to do a burial > strategy. > It's not possible for a deterministic ranked voting method to be > completely free of the need to use strategy, and the reason is actually > related to IIA. > > So a method that passes IIA more often should be less susceptible to > strategy. And James Green-Armytage found that making a method Condorcet > compliant never increases the number of times that strategy pays off (if > that method is of a form that a coordinated majority can always force an > outcome). > > "Voting your hopes rather than your fears" sounds like immunity to > compromising. If that's right, then favorite betrayal is indeed what you > want. Condorcet methods can't pass this criterion, but some methods come > very close. (And every Condorcet method passes it when there's a honest > CW and the strategists can't engineer a cycle.) > > But for the more general concept, I don't think there is one. You could > say "strategy-proofness" or the method being strategy-proof -- that's > the closest you can get, I think. > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >