Re: [EM] POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to vote by secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other votes.Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Kristofer MunsterhjelmDate: Fri, May 10, 2024 15:21To: EM;Cc: Subject:[EM] POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTCAnd I should just as well make a post that the deadline for the EM poll
is approaching, so others don't forget to post their ballots before
time's up :-)
Unless I made a calculation error, there's just short of ten hours left.
I'll make another post with all the manipulability stats in a single
message after this, in case it'll be useful, e.g. for breaking ties.
-km
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On 2024-05-10 22:34, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to vote by
secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other votes.
Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?
I think this is the easiest way to do it:
Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both. Then post it to the
list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you sent it to me before
the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the same if you sent the
ballot to him.)
-km
On 2024-05-10 23:37, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 2024-05-10 22:34, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to vote by
secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other votes.
Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?
I think this is the easiest way to do it:
Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both. Then post it to the
list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you sent it to me before
the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the same if you sent the
ballot to him.)
I forgot to say: if you change your mind after having sent your ballot,
just send your modified ballot later. As long as it's inside the
deadline, the last one you submitted is the one that counts.
-km
But we’ve all posted our ballots, & so, if someone wanted to strategally
take advantage of the information about the other ballots, they’ve already
got that information anyway.
So there doesn’t seem to be a need to conceal our ballots from eachother to
prevent strategic use of them. … because that information is already out.
So why not just say that a person’s most recent posted ballot (which could
be what that person has already posted) before the deadline, counts as
that person’s ballot.
If people feel that there hasn’t been enough close-notice about the
deadline, should we advance the deadline by 2 days?
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 14:41 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-05-10 23:37, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 2024-05-10 22:34, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to vote by
secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other votes.
Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?
I think this is the easiest way to do it:
Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both. Then post it to the
list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you sent it to me before
the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the same if you sent the
ballot to him.)
I forgot to say: if you change your mind after having sent your ballot,
just send your modified ballot later. As long as it's inside the
deadline, the last one you submitted is the one that counts.
-km
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info
On 2024-05-11 02:11, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If people feel that there hasn’t been enough close-notice about the
deadline, should we advance the deadline by 2 days?
I would support this, since Toby said he didn't have time, but I would
have a longer extension in case Toby's quite busy. Say 5 days.
But if it's none or two days, then I support a two day extension.
(I know, it feels a bit messy to just alter the deadline rules like this
after the deadline. But it's not super formal, so... If anyone would
like to object, then we can easily go by the original deadline; I just
think that the more people answer, the better.)
-km
5 days sounds fine.
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 02:39 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-05-11 02:11, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If people feel that there hasn’t been enough close-notice about the
deadline, should we advance the deadline by 2 days?
I would support this, since Toby said he didn't have time, but I would
have a longer extension in case Toby's quite busy. Say 5 days.
But if it's none or two days, then I support a two day extension.
(I know, it feels a bit messy to just alter the deadline rules like this
after the deadline. But it's not super formal, so... If anyone would
like to object, then we can easily go by the original deadline; I just
think that the more people answer, the better.)
-km