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Hare (aka IRV) versus STAR

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Chris Benham
Wed, Apr 10, 2024 12:13 PM

Anonymous STAR fan wrote:

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/Tue Apr 9 12:02:58 PDT 2024/

Hare's elimination process means it doesn't count all preferences
expressed by the voters, and suffers from the same vote-splitting as
FPTP, resulting in undemocratic outcomes and perpetuating the problems
that I would like to fix (spoiler effect, center-squeeze, two-party
system, polarization). I don't think we should throw away some voters'
preferences in order to make the ballots easier to count.

If you give an example or two of Hare giving an "undemocratic outcome"
in a situation where you think
STAR wouldn't I'd be happy to discuss it.

Chris Benham

Anonymous STAR fan wrote: > > > > *fdpk69p6uq at snkmail.com*fdpk69p6uq at snkmail.com > <mailto:election-methods%40lists.electorama.com?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BEM%5D%20Hare%20%28aka%20IRV%29%20versus%20STAR&In-Reply-To=%3C6219-1712689396-67754%40sneakemail.com%3E> > /Tue Apr 9 12:02:58 PDT 2024/ > > > Hare's elimination process means it doesn't count all preferences > expressed by the voters, and suffers from the same vote-splitting as > FPTP, resulting in undemocratic outcomes and perpetuating the problems > that I would like to fix (spoiler effect, center-squeeze, two-party > system, polarization). I don't think we should throw away some voters' > preferences in order to make the ballots easier to count. > If you give an example or two of Hare giving an "undemocratic outcome" in a situation where you think STAR wouldn't I'd be happy to discuss it. Chris Benham