You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… Michael J. Garman | he/him Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >> support and advocate for. >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>> >>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>> >>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>> >>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am and >>> have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting someone >>> here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not > contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… > I invited people to discuss differences & call for a vote as a last resort, but your post that exhausted my patience went beyond that. > > Michael J. Garman | he/him > > Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote > > Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> > > (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >>> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >>> support and advocate for. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >>> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>>> >>>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>>> >>>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>>> >>>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am >>>> and have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting >>>> someone here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>

The last message I sent before you angrily stormed off was about the merits of approval. I didn’t realize we couldn’t discuss election methods on this forum :-D On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:30 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not >> contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… >> > > I invited people to discuss differences & call for a vote as a last > resort, but your post that exhausted my patience went beyond that. > > > >> >> Michael J. Garman | he/him >> >> Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote >> >> Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> >> >> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >>>> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >>>> support and advocate for. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >>>> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>>>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>>>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>>>> >>>>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>>>> >>>>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>>>> >>>>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am >>>>> and have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting >>>>> someone here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>>

I’ve distanced myself from the management of the poll, & someone else is administering it, & I’m more comfortable with that change. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:30 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not >> contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… >> > > I invited people to discuss differences & call for a vote as a last > resort, but your post that exhausted my patience went beyond that. > > > >> >> Michael J. Garman | he/him >> >> Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote >> >> Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> >> >> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >>>> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >>>> support and advocate for. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >>>> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>>>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>>>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>>>> >>>>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>>>> >>>>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>>>> >>>>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am >>>>> and have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting >>>>> someone here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>>

No, not really. You claimed that I was “arrogant” as part of your statements about the poll. I wouldn’t get discouraged from the poll because a Dunning-Kruger IRVist doesn’t like Approval. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:31 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > The last message I sent before you angrily stormed off was about the > merits of approval. I didn’t realize we couldn’t discuss election methods > on this forum :-D > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:30 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not >>> contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… >>> >> >> I invited people to discuss differences & call for a vote as a last >> resort, but your post that exhausted my patience went beyond that. >> >> >> >>> >>> Michael J. Garman | he/him >>> >>> Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote >>> >>> Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> >>> >>> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < >>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >>>>> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >>>>> support and advocate for. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >>>>> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>>>>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>>>>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>>>>> >>>>>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>>>>> >>>>>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am >>>>>> and have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting >>>>>> someone here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>> list info >>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>>

Where did I say that? Not seeing any results for that word in my search history. Keep the personal insults coming. They’re only making you look worse and worse. Michael J. Garman | he/him Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:41 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > No, not really. You claimed that I was “arrogant” as part of your > statements about the poll. > > I wouldn’t get discouraged from the poll because a Dunning-Kruger IRVist > doesn’t like Approval. > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:31 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> The last message I sent before you angrily stormed off was about the >> merits of approval. I didn’t realize we couldn’t discuss election methods >> on this forum :-D >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:30 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> You asked for people to push back if we disagreed, so I did. That’s not >>>> contrarianism for its own sake. If you can’t take the heat… >>>> >>> >>> I invited people to discuss differences & call for a vote as a last >>> resort, but your post that exhausted my patience went beyond that. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Michael J. Garman | he/him >>>> >>>> Digital & Campus Organizer | Rank the Vote >>>> >>>> Book a meeting with me! <https://calendly.com/michael-j-garman> >>>> >>>> (401) 644-4108 | michael.garman@rankthevote.us >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:25 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Argumentative for its own sake about the poll. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:21 Michael Garman < >>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I’m also curious where I’ve been a “contrarian for its own sake.” My >>>>>> ideas might not be common on here, but I’ve been consistent in what I >>>>>> support and advocate for. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:12 PM robert bristow-johnson < >>>>>> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael Ossipoff wrote: >>>>>>> > I was discouraged when It seemed like Garman’s & Robert’s >>>>>>> contrarinesses-for-its own-sake was the state-of affairs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When have I ever been a "contrarian-for-its-own-sake"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a Condorcet partisan (regarding single-winner elections). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have good reasons for being an exclusive Condorcet partisan. I am >>>>>>> and have been completely consistent about it. If I am contradicting >>>>>>> someone here, it's likely only motivated by that. >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>> list info >>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>> list info >>>>>> >>>>>