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The first (only?) Electorama call: December 17

RL
Rob Lanphier
Wed, Dec 3, 2025 5:46 AM

Hi folks,

If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you
may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for
electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food
fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight
bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if
not paramount) among election method criteria.  See below for my October
message on the subject (both to EM and to ES):

After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a response.
Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video call, I'm
going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December 17 at 2pm
Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last minute
rescheduling.

Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here:
https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call

Rob

Hi folks, If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if not paramount) among election method criteria. See below for my October message on the subject (both to EM and to ES): - EM: http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2025-October/007077.html - ES: https://hio.mailmanlists.us/archives/list/election-software@hio.mailmanlists.us/thread/EKMC4UJGDRNPC22M25Z5IWERQQ6UZUPB/ After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a response. Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video call, I'm going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December 17 at 2pm Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last minute rescheduling. Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here: https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call Rob
RB
robert bristow-johnson
Wed, Dec 3, 2025 7:17 AM

Rob, please send reminders the day before and day of.  I want to get to this.  Also post an invitation to r/EndFPTP and other possible venues.  And also post reminders there.  Maybe also notify the principals at CES, EVC, betterchoices.vote, and even FairVote (and subsidiaries like FairVote Washington).

I am sorry for missing the October one.

--

r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

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On 12/03/2025 12:46 AM EST Rob Lanphier via Election-Methods election-methods@lists.electorama.com wrote:

Hi folks,

If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if not paramount) among election method criteria. See below for my October message on the subject (both to EM and to ES):

  • EM: http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2025-October/007077.html
  • ES: https://hio.mailmanlists.us/archives/list/election-software@hio.mailmanlists.us/thread/EKMC4UJGDRNPC22M25Z5IWERQQ6UZUPB/
    After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a response. Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video call, I'm going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December 17 at 2pm Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last minute rescheduling.

Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here:
https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call

Rob


Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info

Rob, please send reminders the day before and day of. I want to get to this. Also post an invitation to r/EndFPTP and other possible venues. And also post reminders there. Maybe also notify the principals at CES, EVC, betterchoices.vote, and even FairVote (and subsidiaries like FairVote Washington). I am sorry for missing the October one. -- r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." . . . > On 12/03/2025 12:46 AM EST Rob Lanphier via Election-Methods <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if not paramount) among election method criteria. See below for my October message on the subject (both to EM and to ES): > * EM: http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2025-October/007077.html > * ES: https://hio.mailmanlists.us/archives/list/election-software@hio.mailmanlists.us/thread/EKMC4UJGDRNPC22M25Z5IWERQQ6UZUPB/ > After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a response. Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video call, I'm going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December 17 at 2pm Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last minute rescheduling. > > Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here: > https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call > > Rob > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info
RL
Rob Lanphier
Wed, Dec 3, 2025 7:48 AM

Hi Robert,

I may send out another reminder the day before, but I'd like to assume that
most members of this mailing list know how to use calendar apps, and you'll
note that I put the word "reluctantly" in my last email message.  I'm
babysitting a lot of public forums, and I'm spread pretty thin for the
amount of money I'm being paid for said babysitting.  I enjoy the video
calls I host (and attend), but in many ways, I'm hoping a different host
steps up.  There was substantial digital arm-twisting involved in the setup
of the December 17 meeting.

I'll assume that this message is your way of RSVP'ing, and I'll put you on
the December 17 GCal invite list, as I intend to do with everyone else who
RSVPs.  GCal makes it very simple to set whatever email/popup alerts you
want so that you'll get emails at whatever interval you want them at.  I
THINK I've turned off the ability for attendees to see other attendees'
email addresses, but please let me know if I misconfigured that.

TIA
Rob

On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 11:17 PM robert bristow-johnson <
rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:

Rob, please send reminders the day before and day of.  I want to get to
this.  Also post an invitation to r/EndFPTP and other possible venues.  And
also post reminders there.  Maybe also notify the principals at CES, EVC,
betterchoices.vote, and even FairVote (and subsidiaries like FairVote
Washington).

I am sorry for missing the October one.

--

r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

.
.
.

On 12/03/2025 12:46 AM EST Rob Lanphier via Election-Methods <

Hi folks,

If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you

may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for
electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food
fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight
bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if
not paramount) among election method criteria. See below for my October
message on the subject (both to EM and to ES):

  • EM:
  • ES:

After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a

response. Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video
call, I'm going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December
17 at 2pm Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last
minute rescheduling.

Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here:
https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call

Rob


Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list

info

Hi Robert, I may send out another reminder the day before, but I'd like to assume that most members of this mailing list know how to use calendar apps, and you'll note that I put the word "reluctantly" in my last email message. I'm babysitting a lot of public forums, and I'm spread pretty thin for the amount of money I'm being paid for said babysitting. I enjoy the video calls I host (and attend), but in many ways, I'm hoping a different host steps up. There was substantial digital arm-twisting involved in the setup of the December 17 meeting. I'll assume that this message is your way of RSVP'ing, and I'll put you on the December 17 GCal invite list, as I intend to do with everyone else who RSVPs. GCal makes it very simple to set whatever email/popup alerts you want so that you'll get emails at whatever interval you want them at. I THINK I've turned off the ability for attendees to see other attendees' email addresses, but please let me know if I misconfigured that. TIA Rob On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 11:17 PM robert bristow-johnson < rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: > > > Rob, please send reminders the day before and day of. I want to get to > this. Also post an invitation to r/EndFPTP and other possible venues. And > also post reminders there. Maybe also notify the principals at CES, EVC, > betterchoices.vote, and even FairVote (and subsidiaries like FairVote > Washington). > > I am sorry for missing the October one. > > -- > > r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > > . > . > . > > > On 12/03/2025 12:46 AM EST Rob Lanphier via Election-Methods < > election-methods@lists.electorama.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > If you closely follow this list (either the EM list or the ES list), you > may remember that I somewhat reluctantly suggested a periodic call for > electoral-reform advocates that is vaguely neutral with regards to the food > fights we frequently have about election methods, but may have a slight > bias toward believing the Condorcet winner criterion is very important (if > not paramount) among election method criteria. See below for my October > message on the subject (both to EM and to ES): > > * EM: > http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2025-October/007077.html > > * ES: > https://hio.mailmanlists.us/archives/list/election-software@hio.mailmanlists.us/thread/EKMC4UJGDRNPC22M25Z5IWERQQ6UZUPB/ > > After I sent that message to both lists, there wasn't much of a > response. Per the conversation several of us had today in a different video > call, I'm going to host my first "Electorama!" call on Wednesday, December > 17 at 2pm Pacific Standard Time, barring unforeseen complications or last > minute rescheduling. > > > > Please learn more about how to RSVP and what next steps are here: > > https://electowiki.org/wiki/User:RobLa/Electorama_call > > > > Rob > > > > ---- > > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >