Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections
Have the nominations closed? Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
When does voting close?
Chris Benham
Good point.
On 11/04/2024 07:45, Chris Benham wrote:
Have the nominations closed? Not that I want to nominate another
method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
When does voting close?
Chris Benham
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 23:45 Chris Benham cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Have the nominations closed?
Yes, at 5:14:59 GMT, April 12th.
Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Yes, we weren’t given any information on most of the nominees. People
should have told the advantages/merits of their nominees.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
Exactly. That’s why I ranked most of them all together at the same
rank-position. The ones I know about & like ranked in order of merit, then
the ones that I don’t know equal-ranked, & then, below them, the ones I
know that I don’t like. Pluraity was at bottom, as everyone agrees, & so
there was no reason to rank it.
When does voting close?
It closed at 5:14:59 GMT, April 11th. The moment nominations ended, the
voting-period started. I voted about 1 minute after the start of the voting
period.
But, I initially specified a month-long voting period. If that’s too long
people can move to shorten it. But the long voting period could allow some
time for explanation of methods & their special merits.
Shall we say that votes can be changed throughout the month-long
voting-period? If anyone moves to shorten it, we could discuss that. If it
were moved (& seconded?), then maybe people would like to choose the
duration that is the median of the voted suggestions.
But given the absence of explanation & advocacy for the unfamiliar methods,
maybe the month-long voting-period is a good thing.
My duration specifications were meant as default suggestions, changeable by
moving for a vote. …at any time, of course.
Chris Benham
Your message indicates that voting closed while nominations were still in
order. Something’s off.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 9:37 AM Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 23:45 Chris Benham cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Have the nominations closed?
Yes, at 5:14:59 GMT, April 12th.
Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Yes, we weren’t given any information on most of the nominees. People
should have told the advantages/merits of their nominees.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
Exactly. That’s why I ranked most of them all together at the same
rank-position. The ones I know about & like ranked in order of merit, then
the ones that I don’t know equal-ranked, & then, below them, the ones I
know that I don’t like. Pluraity was at bottom, as everyone agrees, & so
there was no reason to rank it.
When does voting close?
It closed at 5:14:59 GMT, April 11th. The moment nominations ended, the
voting-period started. I voted about 1 minute after the start of the voting
period.
But, I initially specified a month-long voting period. If that’s too long
people can move to shorten it. But the long voting period could allow some
time for explanation of methods & their special merits.
Shall we say that votes can be changed throughout the month-long
voting-period? If anyone moves to shorten it, we could discuss that. If it
were moved (& seconded?), then maybe people would like to choose the
duration that is the median of the voted suggestions.
But given the absence of explanation & advocacy for the unfamiliar
methods, maybe the month-long voting-period is a good thing.
My duration specifications were meant as default suggestions, changeable
by moving for a vote. …at any time, of course.
Chris Benham
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
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In one sentence I accidentally touched the wrong key, & wrote “12th” when I
meant 11th.
The nomination period ended, & the voting period started, at 5:14:59 GMT,
April 11th.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 00:37 Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 23:45 Chris Benham cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Have the nominations closed?
Yes, at 5:14:59 GMT, April 12th.
Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Yes, we weren’t given any information on most of the nominees. People
should have told the advantages/merits of their nominees.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
Exactly. That’s why I ranked most of them all together at the same
rank-position. The ones I know about & like ranked in order of merit, then
the ones that I don’t know equal-ranked, & then, below them, the ones I
know that I don’t like. Pluraity was at bottom, as everyone agrees, & so
there was no reason to rank it.
When does voting close?
It closed at 5:14:59 GMT, April 11th. The moment nominations ended, the
voting-period started. I voted about 1 minute after the start of the voting
period.
But, I initially specified a month-long voting period. If that’s too long
people can move to shorten it. But the long voting period could allow some
time for explanation of methods & their special merits.
Shall we say that votes can be changed throughout the month-long
voting-period? If anyone moves to shorten it, we could discuss that. If it
were moved (& seconded?), then maybe people would like to choose the
duration that is the median of the voted suggestions.
But given the absence of explanation & advocacy for the unfamiliar
methods, maybe the month-long voting-period is a good thing.
My duration specifications were meant as default suggestions, changeable
by moving for a vote. …at any time, of course.
Chris Benham
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 00:40 Michael Garman michael.garman@rankthevote.us
wrote:
Your message indicates that voting closed while nominations were still in
order. Something’s off.
In my previous reply, I accidentally wrote “12th” when I meant to write
“11th”.
When I first proposed the poll, I suggested that the voting period begins
at the moment when the nomination period ends.
I specified a 1-month voting period, but, like the choice-method, the times
& durations are changeable by anyone moving for a vote on the change.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 9:37 AM Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 23:45 Chris Benham cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Have the nominations closed?
Yes, at 5:14:59 GMT, April 12th.
Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Yes, we weren’t given any information on most of the nominees. People
should have told the advantages/merits of their nominees.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
Exactly. That’s why I ranked most of them all together at the same
rank-position. The ones I know about & like ranked in order of merit, then
the ones that I don’t know equal-ranked, & then, below them, the ones I
know that I don’t like. Pluraity was at bottom, as everyone agrees, & so
there was no reason to rank it.
When does voting close?
It closed at 5:14:59 GMT, April 11th. The moment nominations ended, the
voting-period started. I voted about 1 minute after the start of the voting
period.
But, I initially specified a month-long voting period. If that’s too long
people can move to shorten it. But the long voting period could allow some
time for explanation of methods & their special merits.
Shall we say that votes can be changed throughout the month-long
voting-period? If anyone moves to shorten it, we could discuss that. If it
were moved (& seconded?), then maybe people would like to choose the
duration that is the median of the voted suggestions.
But given the absence of explanation & advocacy for the unfamiliar
methods, maybe the month-long voting-period is a good thing.
My duration specifications were meant as default suggestions, changeable
by moving for a vote. …at any time, of course.
Chris Benham
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
info
On 2024-04-11 08:53, Richard Lung wrote:
Good point.
I had intended to write a short mail about what I think are the good and
bad points of the different methods. But I didn't manage to do so in
time, and I know it's generally considered bad form to do electioneering
once the voting itself has started (no matter how neutral one may
oneself think the information is). So I'll leave that up to people here:
if you're interested, I can provide it.
-km
Since the methods & their merits weren’t described when they were
nominated, shouldn’t their advocates be allowed to do so during the voting
period?
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 02:18 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-04-11 08:53, Richard Lung wrote:
Good point.
I had intended to write a short mail about what I think are the good and
bad points of the different methods. But I didn't manage to do so in
time, and I know it's generally considered bad form to do electioneering
once the voting itself has started (no matter how neutral one may
oneself think the information is). So I'll leave that up to people here:
if you're interested, I can provide it.
-km
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
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This poll, I gather from the unfamiliar sounding names, is of
single-member systems. But there need not be two classes of election
systems, single-member and multi-member. There are not two truths of
electoral system. There is (one truth) general electoral system
It has been believed that the lack of proportional representation in
single-member systems set them apart. But this is not necessarily the
case. It is possible to have a general election system that works the
same way for single-member systems as multi-member systems. Indeed
(pardon me) I have invented it! The way it is done is to hold both an
election count and an exclusion count, based on keep values, and average
them, whether in a single or multi-member system.
This redeems single-member systems for a rational count, as in
multi-member systems. Without this, single-member systems, unlike
multi-member systems, are stuck at a sub-rational level of accuracy, and
are basically (“last past the post”) elimination counts.
Regards,
Richard Lung.
On 11/04/2024 07:45, Chris Benham wrote:
Have the nominations closed? Not that I want to nominate another
method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
When does voting close?
Chris Benham
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
info
“Truth” is perhaps not the appropriate word here — there’s no one universal
set of principles that govern the perfect electoral system.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 3:58 PM Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.com
wrote:
This poll, I gather from the unfamiliar sounding names, is of
single-member systems. But there need not be two classes of election
systems, single-member and multi-member. There are not two truths of
electoral system. There is (one truth) general electoral system
It has been believed that the lack of proportional representation in
single-member systems set them apart. But this is not necessarily the case.
It is possible to have a general election system that works the same way
for single-member systems as multi-member systems. Indeed (pardon me) I
have invented it! The way it is done is to hold both an election count and
an exclusion count, based on keep values, and average them, whether in a
single or multi-member system.
This redeems single-member systems for a rational count, as in
multi-member systems. Without this, single-member systems, unlike
multi-member systems, are stuck at a sub-rational level of accuracy, and
are basically (“last past the post”) elimination counts.
Regards,
Richard Lung.
On 11/04/2024 07:45, Chris Benham wrote:
Have the nominations closed? Not that I want to nominate another method.
There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the
nominated methods not even being mentioned.
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.
When does voting close?
Chris Benham
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
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