Re: [EM] POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC
Okay, here is my ballot. With Write-In candidates.1. Condorcet-Plurality 2. MinMax3. Ranked-Pairs4. Schulze5. BTR-IRV======== Approval cutoff point6. all other Condorcet-consistent methodsN: Hare IRVN+1: ApprovalN+2: STARN+3: FPTPN+4: ScoreI am mostly agnostic about WV vs. Margins for defeat strength but I sorta resonate more with margins. My principal motivation are methods that are good (so it has to be Condorcet) and might have the best chance for adoption in legislation for public elections to government office.Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Michael OssipoffDate: Fri, May 10, 2024 20:11To: Kristofer Munsterhjelm;Cc: EM;robert bristow-johnson;Subject:Re: [EM] POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTCBut we’ve all posted our ballots, & so, if someone wanted to strategally take advantage of the information about the other ballots, they’ve already got that information anyway.So there doesn’t seem to be a need to conceal our ballots fr
om eachother to prevent strategic use of them. … because that information is already out.So why not just say that a person’s most recent posted ballot (which could be what that person has already posted) before the deadline, counts as that person’s ballot.If people feel that there hasn’t been enough close-notice about the deadline, should we advance the deadline by 2 days?On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 14:41 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de wrote:On 2024-05-10 23:37, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 2024-05-10 22:34, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to vote by
secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other votes.
Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?
I think this is the easiest way to do it:
Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both. Then post it to the
list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you sent it to me before
the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the same if you sent the
ballot to him.)
I forgot to say: if you change your mind after having sent your ballot,
just send your modified ballot later. As long as it's inside the
deadline, the last one you submitted is the one that counts.
-km
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Robert,
I am mostly agnostic about WV vs. Margins for defeat strength but I
sorta resonate more with margins.
No Margins method was nominated, which is presumably why no-one bothered
to compare it with Winning Votes. If a lot of voters truncate (which
they have a perfect right to) Margins becomes completely absurd.
A method I didn't think to nominate in time (but probably would if we
did this again) is Condorcet//Hare. It is a possible
political-compromise kludge that is much better than
Condorcet//Plurality, Margins, and STAR.
You really hate Score that much?
Chris
On 11/05/2024 10:37 am, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
Okay, here is my ballot. With Write-In candidates.
- Condorcet-Plurality
- MinMax
- Ranked-Pairs
- Schulze
- BTR-IRV
======== Approval cutoff point
- all other Condorcet-consistent methods
N: Hare IRV
N+1: Approval
N+2: STAR
N+3: FPTP
N+4: Score
I am mostly agnostic about WV vs. Margins for defeat strength but I
sorta resonate more with margins. My principal motivation are methods
that are good (so it has to be Condorcet) and might have the best
chance for adoption in legislation for public elections to government
office.
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*From: *Michael Ossipoff
*Date: *Fri, May 10, 2024 20:11
*To: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm;
*Cc: *EM;robert bristow-johnson;
*Subject:*Re: [EM] POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05
<tel:2024-05-11 05>:15:00 UTC
But we’ve all posted our ballots, & so, if someone wanted to
strategally take advantage of the information about the other ballots,
they’ve already got that information anyway.
So there doesn’t seem to be a need to conceal our ballots from
eachother to prevent strategic use of them. … because that information
is already out.
So why not just say that a person’s most recent posted ballot (which
could be what that person has already posted) before the deadline,
counts as that person’s ballot.
If people feel that there hasn’t been enough close-notice about the
deadline, should we advance the deadline by 2 days?
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 14:41 Kristofer Munsterhjelm
km_elmet@t-online.de wrote:
On 2024-05-10 23 <tel:2024-05-10 23>:37, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 2024-05-10 22 <tel:2024-05-10 22>:34, robert bristow-johnson
wrote:
I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I don't need to
vote by
secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily influence other
votes.
Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer? How do we do this?
I think this is the easiest way to do it:
Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both. Then post it
to the
list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you sent it to me
before
the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the same if you
sent the
ballot to him.)
I forgot to say: if you change your mind after having sent your
ballot,
just send your modified ballot later. As long as it's inside the
deadline, the last one you submitted is the one that counts.
-km
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