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This result is interesting in light of the vote in November 2018. That measure would have adopted STAR voting for Lane County government, which is the county in which the city of Eugene is located. That measure lost county-wide, about 48-52, but got a majority in the city of Eugene. So this is a substantial change. https://www.registerguard.com/story/news/politics/elections/local/2024/05/21/eugene-voters-decide-star-voting-election-reform-in-may-21-election/73780384007/ https://ballotpedia.org/Lane_County,_Oregon,_Measure_20-290,_Score_Then_Automatic_Runoff_Voting_Method_(November_2018) --Bob Richard ------ Original Message ------ >From "Michael Garman" <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> To "EM list" <election-methods@electorama.com> Date 5/22/2024 9:39:16 AM Subject [EM] STAR loses in Eugene, 33%-67% >https://kval.com/news/election-results

This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the pro-RCV camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view it as a variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No despite promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| <cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: > https://kval.com/news/election-results > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

Given how the top-two Approval Primary effort in Seattle (2022) was hijacked and then derailed into RCV instead, I'm not surprised by the result. FairVote and RCV advocates appear to view all larger West Coast cities as their territory, and will fight tooth and nail to defeat any alternatives. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:58 AM <fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com> wrote: > This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the pro-RCV > camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view it as a > variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No despite > promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 > > On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman > michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting > psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| < > cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: > >> https://kval.com/news/election-results >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

Where was the FV opposition in Eugene? On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:26 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> wrote: > Given how the top-two Approval Primary effort in Seattle (2022) was > hijacked and then derailed into RCV instead, I'm not surprised by the > result. FairVote and RCV advocates appear to view all larger West Coast > cities as their territory, and will fight tooth and nail to defeat any > alternatives. > > On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:58 AM <fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com> wrote: > >> This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the pro-RCV >> camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view it as a >> variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No despite >> promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 >> >> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman >> michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting >> psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| < >> cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: >> >>> https://kval.com/news/election-results >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

Excerpt from an email posted by the EqualVote coalition a few minutes ago: > It started when we learned that an opposition committee had been filed, and that the leader of that committee *was a long time Ranked Choice Voting lobbyist for FairVote Washington* who would be writing the official opposition statement in the Voters’ Pamphlet. We’d gone head-to-head in Portland and we already knew his tactics — He is white, but his central attack is that STAR Voting hurts people of color who would be more likely to be confused by the new system. (A wildly hypocritical attack given RCV’s known voter error issues that do hurt communities of color at higher rates, a problem STAR Voting solves.) (emphasis mine) On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 2:29 PM Michael Garman < michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Where was the FV opposition in Eugene? > > On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:26 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Given how the top-two Approval Primary effort in Seattle (2022) was >> hijacked and then derailed into RCV instead, I'm not surprised by the >> result. FairVote and RCV advocates appear to view all larger West Coast >> cities as their territory, and will fight tooth and nail to defeat any >> alternatives. >> >> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:58 AM <fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the pro-RCV >>> camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view it as a >>> variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No despite >>> promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 >>> >>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman >>> michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting >>> psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| < >>> cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> https://kval.com/news/election-results >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >

So one person who works for FV (among many other groups) was involved in the anti-STAR campaign? That’s hardly evidence of an FV conspiracy. On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:48 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> wrote: > Excerpt from an email posted by the EqualVote coalition a few minutes ago: > > > It started when we learned that an opposition committee had been filed, > and that the leader of that committee *was a long time Ranked Choice > Voting lobbyist for FairVote Washington* who would be writing the > official opposition statement in the Voters’ Pamphlet. We’d gone > head-to-head in Portland and we already knew his tactics — He is white, but > his central attack is that STAR Voting hurts people of color who would be > more likely to be confused by the new system. (A wildly hypocritical attack > given RCV’s known voter error issues that do hurt communities of color at > higher rates, a problem STAR Voting solves.) > > (emphasis mine) > > On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 2:29 PM Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> Where was the FV opposition in Eugene? >> >> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:26 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Given how the top-two Approval Primary effort in Seattle (2022) was >>> hijacked and then derailed into RCV instead, I'm not surprised by the >>> result. FairVote and RCV advocates appear to view all larger West Coast >>> cities as their territory, and will fight tooth and nail to defeat any >>> alternatives. >>> >>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:58 AM <fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the pro-RCV >>>> camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view it as a >>>> variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No despite >>>> promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman >>>> michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting >>>> psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| < >>>> cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> https://kval.com/news/election-results >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>

I don’t think anyone said anything about conspiracies. We said FairVote was paying people to advocate against STAR, and this is an example of FV paying someone to advocate against STAR. On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 3:17 PM Michael Garman < michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > So one person who works for FV (among many other groups) was involved in > the anti-STAR campaign? That’s hardly evidence of an FV conspiracy. > On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:48 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Excerpt from an email posted by the EqualVote coalition a few minutes ago: >> >> > It started when we learned that an opposition committee had been filed, >> and that the leader of that committee *was a long time Ranked Choice >> Voting lobbyist for FairVote Washington* who would be writing the >> official opposition statement in the Voters’ Pamphlet. We’d gone >> head-to-head in Portland and we already knew his tactics — He is white, but >> his central attack is that STAR Voting hurts people of color who would be >> more likely to be confused by the new system. (A wildly hypocritical attack >> given RCV’s known voter error issues that do hurt communities of color at >> higher rates, a problem STAR Voting solves.) >> >> (emphasis mine) >> >> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 2:29 PM Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> Where was the FV opposition in Eugene? >>> >>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:26 PM Ted Stern <dodecatheon@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Given how the top-two Approval Primary effort in Seattle (2022) was >>>> hijacked and then derailed into RCV instead, I'm not surprised by the >>>> result. FairVote and RCV advocates appear to view all larger West Coast >>>> cities as their territory, and will fight tooth and nail to defeat any >>>> alternatives. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:58 AM <fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is really sad. Ironically, they were attacked by both the >>>>> pro-RCV camp (who view it as competition) and the anti-RCV camp (who view >>>>> it as a variation of RCV), and the Eugene Weekly recommended voting No >>>>> despite promoting STAR themselves several years prior. 😩 >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:40 PM Michael Garman >>>>> michael.garman-at-rankthevote.us |electorama electowiki voting >>>>> psephomancy election methods mailing list/Example Allow| < >>>>> cmnw9so7xlkk0kt@sneakemail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> https://kval.com/news/election-results >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>> list info >>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>> ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >