You dislike all current parties? Have you read all of their
 platforms? If not, how do you know you dislike them? What do you
 dislike about the *policies* offered by some of the “3rd-parties”
 that you’ve heard of?

Here's a frequently overlooked issue about election methods. It came to my attention when Michael Ossipoff repeatedly suggested I was not voting honestly in his poll. Michael Ossipoff wrote: >> You dislike all current parties? Have you read all of their >> platforms? ... >> Regarding the platform-policies & leaders of the parties you’ve >> heard of, other than the Democrats & Republicans—what about them >> isn’t wise, problem-solving? [... longer version, with repetition, is at bottom] Yes, I honestly do NOT like ANY political party. That's why I answered his which-is-your-favorite-party? poll question with something like "none of them." I dislike all political parties for the same reason: None of them offer effective solutions that will solve big problems at the SOURCE of the problems. As the author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox," I know the best way to solve a problem is to deal with the SOURCE of the problem. (Or, the "root" of the problem.) Yet all political parties, including both major parties and all third parties, mostly promote "solutions" that mostly deal with the SYMPTOMS of each problem! Without solving the underlying problem. If anyone is interested in what I regard to be well-designed solutions that would solve big political problems at the SOURCE of the problem, here's a link to a long webpage in which I describe three such solutions. https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/cpsolver/websites/blob/master/VoteFairDotOrg/taker_tactics.html In that long webpage I recommend adopting two business-specific tax credits (for businesses), and (of course) adopting a well-designed election system. Simplified explanations of these solutions are in my e-book "The Goat Spitting Secret: This Comedy Unmasks Why Congress Is Dysfunctionally Nutty." I'm not aware of any political party that prioritizes anything even slightly similar to the solutions I describe. That's why I don't like any political parties. That's why I virtually never vote for third-party candidates. Along with the fact that third parties virtually never offer viable candidates -- which was discussed in a different thread. Taking a peek into the future ... After ranked choice ballots get adopted for U.S. elections, third-party candidates are likely to win some elections for awhile, until big parties wake up and realize they need to offer better candidates. This transition also may involve big parties offering two nominees from each party (the second one perhaps being the candidate with the second-most plurality votes in the primary election), and those second nominees winning instead of the first, money-backed nominees. Hopefully, shortly into this transition to better election methods and better winning candidates, big parties will offer better candidates. If they don't, at least one of those big parties will get abandoned in favor of a third party that offers an effective-solutions-based party platform, along with wise problem-solving candidates who are worth voting for. In the meantime I'm promoting election-method reforms like the imperfect one Portland will use in November to elect our city council (3-seat-STV, no primary, great!) and mayor (IRV, sigh, overvotes dismissed, sigh), and the ballot initiative (IRV with no mention of "overvotes") that will be on the November ballot throughout Oregon. I have a dream that Portland and/or Oregon may begin to embrace solving political problems at the source of our problems. It can't happen under our single-choice-ballot election system. I believe it can happen when a better election system arrives. Richard Fobes The VoteFair guy Author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox," which has been published around the world in 10 languages ................................... Michael Ossipoff wrote to Richard: >> You dislike all current parties? Have you read all of their >> platforms? If not, how do you know you dislike them? What do you >> dislike about the *policies* offered by some of the “3rd-parties” >> that you’ve heard of? >> ... >> All of them? Regarding the main ones you’ve heard of, which of >> their platform-policies do you dislike? >> ... >> But which platform-policy of the main other parties that you’ve >> heard of do you dislike? >> ... >> Regarding the platform-policies & leaders of the parties you’ve >> heard of, other than the Democrats & Republicans—what about them >> isn’t wise, problem-solving?

On 2024-07-28 01:32, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > Here's a frequently overlooked issue about election methods.  It came to > my attention when Michael Ossipoff repeatedly suggested I was not voting > honestly in his poll. > > Michael Ossipoff wrote: > >>  You dislike all current parties? Have you read all of their > >>  platforms? ... > >>  Regarding the platform-policies & leaders of the parties you’ve > >>  heard of, other than the Democrats & Republicans—what about them > >>  isn’t wise, problem-solving? > > [... longer version, with repetition, is at bottom] > > Yes, I honestly do NOT like ANY political party. [...] > Taking a peek into the future ... > > After ranked choice ballots get adopted for U.S. elections, third-party > candidates are likely to win some elections for awhile, until big > parties wake up and realize they need to offer better candidates.  This > transition also may involve big parties offering two nominees from each > party (the second one perhaps being the candidate with the second-most > plurality votes in the primary election), and those second nominees > winning instead of the first, money-backed nominees. > > Hopefully, shortly into this transition to better election methods and > better winning candidates, big parties will offer better candidates.  If > they don't, at least one of those big parties will get abandoned in > favor of a third party that offers an effective-solutions-based party > platform, along with wise problem-solving candidates who are worth > voting for. You seem to be saying that, when better methods are implemented, then parties may arise that you'll like. Is that right? I just wanted to ask since the first part could be read as that you dislike political parties as a construct, whatever opinions they may hold. -km

On 7/30/2024 4:06 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > You seem to be saying that, when better methods are implemented, then > parties may arise that you'll like. Is that right? Yes, correct. > I just wanted to ask since the first part could be read as that you > dislike political parties as a construct, whatever opinions they > may hold. Thanks for clarifying. I had forgotten that some people think it's possible to completely eliminate political parties. Richard Fobes