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Re: [EM] Notes on a few Later-no-harm methods

RL
Richard Lung
Sun, May 22, 2022 7:48 PM

Hello Andy,

these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and
3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations.

RL.

Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book
by Richard Lung https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349

Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand
Count – a book by Richard Lung
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292

On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote:

Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread?

50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the
mechanism of a proposal.

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 11:47 AM Richard Lung
voting@ukscientists.com wrote:

 Hello Andy,

 these are my free 2 booklets and one book on binomial stv, varying
 from about 1500 words to 50,000 words. Tho only part two of the
 book, describes the (almost) complete working.

 RL.

 Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a
 book by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349>

 Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections
 Hand Count – a book by Richard Lung
 <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292>

 Smashwords – FAB STV: Four Averages Binomial Single Transferable
 Vote. – a book by Richard Lung
 <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/806030>



 On 21/05/2022 18:25, Andy Dienes wrote:
 Hi Richard,

 I, too, have had a hard time understanding exactly what are the
 mechanics of Binomial STV. I have read your full posts, and I
 think it would clear it up for me if you would indeed give a
 "shut up and calculate" worked example of the type that Kristofer
 has sent. Please, without the philosophy and motivation for the
 method interspersed, just walk through the calculation of winners
 for Binomial STV the same way a computer program would.

 -Andy

 On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM Richard Lung
 <voting@ukscientists.com> wrote:

     Thank you, Kristofer,

     I refer you to the post as a whole, not just the first couple
     of lines,
     for my answer.

     It's not just a matter of "shut up and calculate" to quote a
     famous
     grouse of hapless quantum theory students.

     (You make me suspect you are an instructor. However, I
     appreciate your
     consideration and competance.)

     Regards,

     Richard Lung.


     On 16/05/2022 10:13, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

On 16.05.2022 08:20, Richard Lung wrote:

Binomial STV is later no harm, unlike Borda count, because

     uses keep

values , equivalent to Gregory method, for both election

     and exclusion

counts.

I would like to check that for myself. That's why I've

     asked (three

times) if you could give me the concrete keep and exclude

     values, and

the winners, for particular example elections involving

     truncation.

Could you please do that?

-km

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Hello Andy, these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and 3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations. RL. Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349> Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand Count – a book by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292> On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote: > Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread? > > 50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the > mechanism of a proposal. > > On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 11:47 AM Richard Lung > <voting@ukscientists.com> wrote: > > > Hello Andy, > > these are my free 2 booklets and one book on binomial stv, varying > from about 1500 words to 50,000 words. Tho only part two of the > book, describes the (almost) complete working. > > RL. > > Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a > book by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349> > > Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections > Hand Count – a book by Richard Lung > <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292> > > Smashwords – FAB STV: Four Averages Binomial Single Transferable > Vote. – a book by Richard Lung > <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/806030> > > > > On 21/05/2022 18:25, Andy Dienes wrote: >> Hi Richard, >> >> I, too, have had a hard time understanding exactly what are the >> mechanics of Binomial STV. I have read your full posts, and I >> think it would clear it up for me if you would indeed give a >> "shut up and calculate" worked example of the type that Kristofer >> has sent. Please, without the philosophy and motivation for the >> method interspersed, just walk through the calculation of winners >> for Binomial STV the same way a computer program would. >> >> -Andy >> >> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM Richard Lung >> <voting@ukscientists.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you, Kristofer, >> >> I refer you to the post as a whole, not just the first couple >> of lines, >> for my answer. >> >> It's not just a matter of "shut up and calculate" to quote a >> famous >> grouse of hapless quantum theory students. >> >> (You make me suspect you are an instructor. However, I >> appreciate your >> consideration and competance.) >> >> Regards, >> >> Richard Lung. >> >> >> On 16/05/2022 10:13, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: >> > On 16.05.2022 08:20, Richard Lung wrote: >> >> >> >> Binomial STV is later no harm, unlike Borda count, because >> uses keep >> >> values , equivalent to Gregory method, for both election >> and exclusion >> >> counts. >> > I would like to check that for myself. That's why I've >> asked (three >> > times) if you could give me the concrete keep and exclude >> values, and >> > the winners, for particular example elections involving >> truncation. >> > >> > Could you please do that? >> > >> > -km >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >> for list info >>
KM
Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Sun, May 22, 2022 8:00 PM

On 22.05.2022 21:48, Richard Lung wrote:

Hello Andy,

these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and
3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations.

RL.

Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book
by Richard Lung https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349

Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand
Count – a book by Richard Lung
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292

On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote:

Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread?

50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the
mechanism of a proposal.

Just for the list's information: I didn't see Andy's reply. If he
replied to the list, something may be off with the list configuration.

I seem to recall someone else also saying they had been missing posts
from here.

-km

On 22.05.2022 21:48, Richard Lung wrote: > > Hello Andy, > > these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and > 3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations. > > RL. > > Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book > by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349> > > Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand > Count – a book by Richard Lung > <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292> > > > On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote: >> Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread? >> >> 50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the >> mechanism of a proposal. Just for the list's information: I didn't see Andy's reply. If he replied to the list, something may be off with the list configuration. I seem to recall someone else also saying they had been missing posts from here. -km
RL
Richard Lung
Sun, May 22, 2022 8:12 PM

Yes, Andy just replied to me, apparently.

And I got a message from new member doug, who got my email, but could
not get on the list:

d.m.h.webb@gmail.com

On 22/05/2022 21:00, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

On 22.05.2022 21:48, Richard Lung wrote:

Hello Andy,

these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and
3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations.

RL.

Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book
by Richard Lung https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349

Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand
Count – a book by Richard Lung
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292

On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote:

Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread?

50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the
mechanism of a proposal.

Just for the list's information: I didn't see Andy's reply. If he
replied to the list, something may be off with the list configuration.

I seem to recall someone else also saying they had been missing posts
from here.

-km

Yes, Andy just replied to me, apparently. And I got a message from new member doug, who got my email, but could not get on the list: d.m.h.webb@gmail.com On 22/05/2022 21:00, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > On 22.05.2022 21:48, Richard Lung wrote: >> Hello Andy, >> >> these are my free 2 booklets on binomial stv, of about 1500 words and >> 3500 words. They are versions of the hand count; short approximations. >> >> RL. >> >> Smashwords – Elect and Exclude. Binomial STV Hand Count Basics – a book >> by Richard Lung <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1111349> >> >> Smashwords – The Super-Vote Supercharged: Binomial STV elections Hand >> Count – a book by Richard Lung >> <https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1106292> >> >> >> On 22/05/2022 17:57, Andy Dienes wrote: >>> Could you provide a complete and correct worked example in this thread? >>> >>> 50,000 words is a lot to parse through just to understand the >>> mechanism of a proposal. > Just for the list's information: I didn't see Andy's reply. If he > replied to the list, something may be off with the list configuration. > > I seem to recall someone else also saying they had been missing posts > from here. > > -km