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Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language?

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robert bristow-johnson
Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:31 PM

Thank you, Daniel.  Both suggested changes look pretty good.Geez, i love this group.  Much better tha the Reddit thing.Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Daniel CarreraDate: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PMTo: robert bristow-johnson;Cc: EM;Subject:Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language?On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson rbj@audioimagination.com wrote: Here is Bottom-Two Runoff:


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
  (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
  (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
  (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A "continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all candidates begin as continuing candidates.
  (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B", shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round.
  (5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain. The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is elected.
  (6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it.You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4):(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round. 
Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
  (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
  (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
  (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary.
  (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.
  (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
  (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
  (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
  (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In, then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated. After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected.
  (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.
  (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for.

Concise is good, but it must be complete and clear in normal usage of the American English language.Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version:(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the Condorcet winner and is elected.Cheers,-- Dr. Daniel CarreraPostdoctoral Research AssociateIowa State University

Thank you, Daniel.  Both suggested changes look pretty good.Geez, i love this group.  Much better tha the Reddit thing.Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Daniel CarreraDate: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PMTo: robert bristow-johnson;Cc: EM;Subject:Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language?On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: Here is Bottom-Two Runoff: ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:   (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.   (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.   (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A "continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all candidates begin as continuing candidates.   (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B", shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round.   (5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain. The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is elected.   (6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it.You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4):(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round.  Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's): ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:   (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.   (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.   (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary.   (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.   (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2): ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:   (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.   (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.   (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In, then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated. After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected.   (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.   (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for. Concise is good, but it **must** be complete and clear in normal usage of the American English language.Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version:(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the Condorcet winner and is elected.Cheers,-- Dr. Daniel CarreraPostdoctoral Research AssociateIowa State University
HP
Hahn, Paul
Tue, Sep 21, 2021 5:37 PM

I have doubts about this line: “Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots.”  A candidate can win a majority of the ballots that express a preference in that pairing without winning a majority of the overall ballots cast.  Here I think Robert’s “more than marked otherwise” phrasing is more verbose, but less ambiguous.

--pH

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To: Daniel Carrera dcarrera@gmail.com
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Thank you, Daniel.  Both suggested changes look pretty good.

Geez, i love this group.  Much better tha the Reddit thing.

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From: Daniel Carrera
Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PM
To: robert bristow-johnson;
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Subject:Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language?

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.commailto:rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:

Here is Bottom-Two Runoff:


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A "continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all candidates begin as continuing candidates.
(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B", shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round.
(5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain. The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is elected.
(6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it.

You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4):

(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round.

Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary.
(4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.
(5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In, then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated. After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected.
(4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected.
(5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for.

Concise is good, but it must be complete and clear in normal usage of the American English language.

Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version:

(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the Condorcet winner and is elected.

Cheers,

Dr. Daniel Carrera
Postdoctoral Research Associate
Iowa State University

I have doubts about this line: “Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots.” A candidate can win a majority of the ballots that express a preference in that pairing without winning a majority of the overall ballots cast. Here I think Robert’s “more than marked otherwise” phrasing is more verbose, but less ambiguous. --pH From: Election-Methods <election-methods-bounces@lists.electorama.com> On Behalf Of robert bristow-johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 12:31 PM To: Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@gmail.com> Cc: EM <Election-methods@lists.electorama.com> Subject: Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language? Thank you, Daniel. Both suggested changes look pretty good. Geez, i love this group. Much better tha the Reddit thing. Powered by Cricket Wireless ------ Original message------ From: Daniel Carrera Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PM To: robert bristow-johnson; Cc: EM; Subject:Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language? On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com<mailto:rbj@audioimagination.com>> wrote: Here is Bottom-Two Runoff: ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines: (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference. (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected. (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A "continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all candidates begin as continuing candidates. (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B", shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round. (5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain. The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is elected. (6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it. You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4): (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round. Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's): ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines: (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference. (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected. (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary. (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected. (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2): ___________________________________________________________________________ All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according to these guidelines: (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every candidate marked with a preference. (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first preferences, that candidate is elected. (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In, then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated. After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected. (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with the plurality of first preferences is elected. (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. ___________________________________________________________________________ In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for. Concise is good, but it **must** be complete and clear in normal usage of the American English language. Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version: (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the Condorcet winner and is elected. Cheers, -- Dr. Daniel Carrera Postdoctoral Research Associate Iowa State University
DC
Daniel Carrera
Tue, Sep 21, 2021 6:07 PM

You can just say "by the most ballots". If you really want to push it, then
"by the greatest number of ballots".

On an unrelated note, there is a Copeland-like version that is (I
think) Smith efficient:

(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding
officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every
candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two
candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by the most
ballots. A candidate that wins the most runoffs is elected.
(4) If step (3) results in a tie, then among the candidates that win the
most runoffs the one with the plurality of first preferences is elected.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:37 PM Hahn, Paul manynote@wustl.edu wrote:

I have doubts about this line: “Each runoff between two candidates is won
by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots.”  A
candidate can win a majority of the ballots that express a preference in
that pairing without winning a majority of the overall ballots cast.  Here
I think Robert’s “more than marked otherwise” phrasing is more verbose, but
less ambiguous.

--pH

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Behalf Of *robert bristow-johnson
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 12:31 PM
To: Daniel Carrera dcarrera@gmail.com
Cc: EM Election-methods@lists.electorama.com
Subject: Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet
language?

Thank you, Daniel.  Both suggested changes look pretty good.

Geez, i love this group.  Much better tha the Reddit thing.

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*From: *Daniel Carrera

*Date: *Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PM

*To: *robert bristow-johnson;

*Cc: *EM;

*Subject:*Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language?

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson <
rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:

Here is Bottom-Two Runoff:


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of
ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding
election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according
to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in
order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher
rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked
highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate
not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every
candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first
preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant
runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer.
The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A
"continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated
in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all
candidates begin as continuing candidates.
(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for
whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two
candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B",
shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter
support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots
ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than
A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the
following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A
exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser
voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In
the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are
tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round.
(5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one
candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain.
The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is
elected.
(6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations
consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it.

You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4):

(4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever
continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with
the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall
contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single
vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The
candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round.

Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of
ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding
election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according
to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in
order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher
rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked
highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not
marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every
candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first
preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a
Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding
election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if
the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate
defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate
when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected
candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of
ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other
candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary.
(4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with
the plurality of first preferences is elected.
(5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations
consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2):


All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of
ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding
election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according
to these guidelines:
(1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in
order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher
rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked
highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not
marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every
candidate marked with a preference.
(2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first
preferences, that candidate is elected.
(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a
Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding
election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of
candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In,
then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each
possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a
selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots
marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated.
After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked
as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected.
(4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with
the plurality of first preferences is elected.
(5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations
consistent with this subsection to implement these standards.


In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if
step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for.

Concise is good, but it must be complete and clear in normal usage of
the American English language.

Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version:

(3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the
presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where
every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff
between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a
majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the
Condorcet winner and is elected.

Cheers,

--

Dr. Daniel Carrera

Postdoctoral Research Associate

Iowa State University

--
Dr. Daniel Carrera
Postdoctoral Research Associate
Iowa State University

You can just say "by the most ballots". If you really want to push it, then "by the greatest number of ballots". On an unrelated note, there is a Copeland-like version that is (I think) Smith efficient: (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by the most ballots. A candidate that wins the most runoffs is elected. (4) If step (3) results in a tie, then among the candidates that win the most runoffs the one with the plurality of first preferences is elected. On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:37 PM Hahn, Paul <manynote@wustl.edu> wrote: > I have doubts about this line: “Each runoff between two candidates is won > by the candidate that is ranked higher by a majority of ballots.” A > candidate can win a majority of the ballots that express a preference in > that pairing without winning a majority of the overall ballots cast. Here > I think Robert’s “more than marked otherwise” phrasing is more verbose, but > less ambiguous. > > > > --pH > > > > *From:* Election-Methods <election-methods-bounces@lists.electorama.com> *On > Behalf Of *robert bristow-johnson > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2021 12:31 PM > *To:* Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@gmail.com> > *Cc:* EM <Election-methods@lists.electorama.com> > *Subject:* Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet > language? > > > > > > Thank you, Daniel. Both suggested changes look pretty good. > > > > Geez, i love this group. Much better tha the Reddit thing. > > > > > > > > > > *Powered by Cricket Wireless* > > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Daniel Carrera > > *Date: *Tue, Sep 21, 2021 1:03 PM > > *To: *robert bristow-johnson; > > *Cc: *EM; > > *Subject:*Re: [EM] Can anyone help with straight-ahead Condorcet language? > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:38 AM robert bristow-johnson < > rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: > > > > Here is Bottom-Two Runoff: > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of > ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding > election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according > to these guidelines: > (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in > order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher > rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked > highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall not be allowed. Any candidate > not marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every > candidate marked with a preference. > (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first > preferences, that candidate is elected. > (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, an instant > runoff retabulation shall be performed by the presiding election officer. > The instant runoff retabulation shall be conducted in sequential rounds. A > "continuing candidate" is defined as a candidate that has not been defeated > in any previous round. Initially, no candidate is defeated and all > candidates begin as continuing candidates. > (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for > whichever continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two > candidates with the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "A" and "B", > shall contend in a runoff in which the candidate, A or B, with lesser voter > support shall be defeated in the current round. If the number of ballots > ranking A higher than B exceeds the number of ballots ranking B higher than > A, then B has lesser voter support, B is defeated, and A continues to the > following round. Likewise, if the number of ballots ranking B higher than A > exceeds the number of ballots ranking A higher than B, then A has lesser > voter support, A is defeated, and B continues to the following round. In > the case that the aforementioned measures of voter support of A and B are > tied, then the candidate with fewest votes is defeated in the current round. > (5) The aforementioned instant runoff retabulation, eliminating one > candidate each round, shall be repeated until only two candidates remain. > The remaining candidate then receiving the greatest number of votes is > elected. > (6) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations > consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > If step (4) above can be made better, I would be interested in seeing it. > > > > > > You can reuse the ordinal system to simplify (4): > > > > (4) In each round, every ballot shall count as a single vote for whichever > continuing candidate the voter has ranked highest. The two candidates with > the fewest votes in a round, herein denoted as "runoff candidates", shall > contend in a runoff. In each runoff, every ballot shall count as a single > vote for whichever runoff candidate the voter has ranked highest. The > candidate with the fewest votes is defeated in the current round. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is straight-ahead Condorcet (version 1, most like Daniel's): > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of > ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding > election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according > to these guidelines: > (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in > order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher > rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked > highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not > marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every > candidate marked with a preference. > (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first > preferences, that candidate is elected. > (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a > Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding > election officer. The candidate, who is the Condorcet winner, is elected if > the rankings on all of the ballots indicate that this one candidate > defeats, with a simple majority of voter preferences, every other candidate > when compared in turn with each other individual candidate. A selected > candidate defeats another candidate by a simple majority when the number of > ballots marked ranking the selected candidate higher than the other > candidate exceeds the number of ballots marked to the contrary. > (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with > the plurality of first preferences is elected. > (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations > consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > Here is another straight-ahead Condorcet (version 2): > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > All elections of [office] shall be by ballot, using a system of > ranked-choice voting without a separate runoff election. The presiding > election officer shall implement a ranked-choice voting protocol according > to these guidelines: > (1) The ballot shall give voters the option of ranking candidates in > order of preference. Lower ordinal preference shall be considered higher > rank and the candidate marked as first preference is considered ranked > highest. Equal ranking of candidates shall be allowed. Any candidate not > marked with a preference shall be considered as ranked lower than every > candidate marked with a preference. > (2) If a candidate receives a majority (over 50 percent) of first > preferences, that candidate is elected. > (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, a > Condorcet-consistent retabulation shall be performed by the presiding > election officer. The retabulation shall examine each possible pairing of > candidates. If N is the number of candidates, including combined Write-In, > then the number of possible pairings of candidates is N(N-1)/2. For each > possible pairing of candidates, if fewer ballots are marked preferring a > selected candidate over the other candidate than the number of ballots > marked to the contrary, then the selected candidate is marked as defeated. > After all candidate pairs are examined, the candidate who remains unmarked > as defeated is the Condorcet winner and is elected. > (4) If no Condorcet winner exists in step (3), then the candidate with > the plurality of first preferences is elected. > (5) The [governing jurisdiction] may adopt additional regulations > consistent with this subsection to implement these standards. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > In the last two, I want to keep all of the steps the way they are, but if > step (3) can be made better, that is what I am groping for. > > Concise is good, but it **must** be complete and clear in normal usage of > the American English language. > > > > > > > > Here is a more concise rewrite of your first version: > > > > (3) If no candidate receives a majority of first preferences, the > presiding officer shall perform a series of two-candidate runoffs where > every candidate has a runoff with every other candidate. Each runoff > between two candidates is won by the candidate that is ranked higher by a > majority of ballots. A candidate that wins all of their runoffs is the > Condorcet winner and is elected. > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Dr. Daniel Carrera > > Postdoctoral Research Associate > > Iowa State University > -- Dr. Daniel Carrera Postdoctoral Research Associate Iowa State University
KM
Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Tue, Sep 21, 2021 11:15 PM

On 9/21/21 8:07 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote:

You can just say "by the most ballots". If you really want to push it,
then "by the greatest number of ballots".

On an unrelated note, there is a Copeland-like version that is (I
think) Smith efficient:

[snip]

That's right, because the Copeland set is a subset of the Smith set
(actually, even a subset of the uncovered set), so choosing a candidate
from that set must be Smith-efficient.

However, every Copeland method of this form fails clone independence
because the Copeland set as a whole fails it. (It might also be the
case, though implausible, that there are multiple candidates with the
same number of first preferences, or even with zero).

-km

On 9/21/21 8:07 PM, Daniel Carrera wrote: > You can just say "by the most ballots". If you really want to push it, > then "by the greatest number of ballots". > > On an unrelated note, there is a Copeland-like version that is (I > think) Smith efficient: [snip] That's right, because the Copeland set is a subset of the Smith set (actually, even a subset of the uncovered set), so choosing a candidate from that set must be Smith-efficient. However, every Copeland method of this form fails clone independence because the Copeland set as a whole fails it. (It might also be the case, though implausible, that there are multiple candidates with the same number of first preferences, or even with zero). -km