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Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th

MO
Michael Ossipoff
Wed, Apr 17, 2024 9:29 PM

Ranking:

  1. Approval
  2. STAR
  3. Approval with separate runoff
  4. Condorcet-IRV
  5. RP(wv)
  6. MinMax(wv)
  7. Smith//Approval(implicit)
  8. Schulze
  9. All nominees not listed above or below
  10. Majority-Judgment family
  11. IRV

Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their
properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know.

They’re all or nearly all too complicated for public proposal, but so is
Majority-Judgment. IRV is abominable for merit in use, due to its
fraudulent promotion.

Approvals set:

I approve down to & including 7th-ranked alternative.

I don’t approve Schulze for public elections, due to its complexity.

I state the approval-set because I consider it relevant which alternative
is most liked…which outcome would maximize the number of people who like
the outcome.

Ranking: 1. Approval 2. STAR 3. Approval with separate runoff 4. Condorcet-IRV 5. RP(wv) 6. MinMax(wv) 7. Smith//Approval(implicit) 8. Schulze 9. All nominees not listed above or below 10. Majority-Judgment family 11. IRV Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know. They’re all or nearly all too complicated for public proposal, but so is Majority-Judgment. IRV is abominable for merit in use, due to its fraudulent promotion. Approvals set: I approve down to & including 7th-ranked alternative. I don’t approve Schulze for public elections, due to its complexity. I state the approval-set because I consider it relevant which alternative is most liked…which outcome would maximize the number of people who like the outcome.
KM
Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Wed, Apr 17, 2024 10:02 PM

On 2024-04-17 23:29, Michael Ossipoff wrote:

Ranking:

  1. Approval
  2. STAR
  3. Approval with separate runoff
  4. Condorcet-IRV
  5. RP(wv)
  6. MinMax(wv)
  7. Smith//Approval(implicit)
  8. Schulze
  9. All nominees not listed above or below
  10. Majority-Judgment family
  11. IRV

Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their
properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know.

Plurality is on the nomination list. Are you placing it ninth too? I'm
just asking because I imagine you know its properties, so it doesn't
seem to fit the class.

-km

On 2024-04-17 23:29, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Ranking: > > 1. Approval > 2. STAR > 3. Approval with separate runoff > 4. Condorcet-IRV > 5. RP(wv) > 6. MinMax(wv) > 7. Smith//Approval(implicit) > 8. Schulze > 9. All nominees not listed above or below > 10. Majority-Judgment family > 11. IRV > > Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their > properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know. Plurality is on the nomination list. Are you placing it ninth too? I'm just asking because I imagine you know its properties, so it doesn't seem to fit the class. -km
MO
Michael Ossipoff
Wed, Apr 17, 2024 10:14 PM

Oops!! I’d missed that !!

Yes, because I spoke of unlisted alternatives all equal-ranked at #9, then
yes, of course I must explicitly rank Plurality last, at rank #12.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 15:03 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:

On 2024-04-17 23:29, Michael Ossipoff wrote:

Ranking:

  1. Approval
  2. STAR
  3. Approval with separate runoff
  4. Condorcet-IRV
  5. RP(wv)
  6. MinMax(wv)
  7. Smith//Approval(implicit)
  8. Schulze
  9. All nominees not listed above or below
  10. Majority-Judgment family
  11. IRV

Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their
properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know.

Plurality is on the nomination list. Are you placing it ninth too? I'm
just asking because I imagine you know its properties, so it doesn't
seem to fit the class.

-km

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Oops!! I’d missed that !! Yes, because I spoke of unlisted alternatives all equal-ranked at #9, then yes, of course I must explicitly rank Plurality last, at rank #12. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 15:03 Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote: > On 2024-04-17 23:29, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > > Ranking: > > > > 1. Approval > > 2. STAR > > 3. Approval with separate runoff > > 4. Condorcet-IRV > > 5. RP(wv) > > 6. MinMax(wv) > > 7. Smith//Approval(implicit) > > 8. Schulze > > 9. All nominees not listed above or below > > 10. Majority-Judgment family > > 11. IRV > > > > Couldn’t rank among the 9ty-place nominees, because I don’t know their > > properties. One shouldn’t vote on what one doesn’t know. > > Plurality is on the nomination list. Are you placing it ninth too? I'm > just asking because I imagine you know its properties, so it doesn't > seem to fit the class. > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >