> > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:25:55 -0500 (EST) > From: robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> > To: "election-methods@electorama.com" > <election-methods@electorama.com> > Subject: [EM] Just to let you know that I got into my first good > fight... > Message-ID: <938610629.649285.1611948355070@privateemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ... with Terry Bouricius, who is the very person that told me about this > mailing list and had posted to this list about a decade ago. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7ACMAkc54 > > If you scroll past the FairVote dreck to 32:17, you'll see where I make > the case that it failed us in Burlington Vermont in 2009. Excellent, thorough, clear, explanation of why IRV failed to deliver as promised in Burlington in 2009 ... not a fluke, but the inevitable result of eliminating fall-back choices before they have a chance to serve their purported purpose ... convincing evidence that IRV/RCV is not good enough to replace FPP PLurality. If only Robert Bristow-Johnson had been allowed a few more minutes he could have introduced some of the simple solutions to the deficiencies of IRV that are well known to EM list participants. Some IRV supporters excuse IRV by saying "no method's perfect." True, just like no internal combustion engine has 100 percent efficiency ... but that doesn't mean we can never improve on Henry Ford's Model T. > > You can also get my paper about it here: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/umfyn6roysithpg/The%20Impetus% > 2C%20Necessity%2C%20and%20Purpose%20of%20Ranked-Choice%20Voting.pdf?dl=0 > > And you can see a Scientific American article coauthored by Nobel laureate > Eric Maskin here: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/jl8cwhwhdsy10gh/The%20Fairest% > 20Vote%20of%20All.pdf?dl=0 > > Comments welcome. > > -- > > r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com > > "Imagination is more important than knowledge." > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Election-Methods mailing list > Election-Methods@lists.electorama.com > http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 198, Issue 8 > ************************************************ >

Robert Bristow-Johnson does a fantastic job refuting the usual talking points for IRV in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7ACMAkc54 starting at 32:17. Well worth watching! On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 8:18 PM Forest Simmons <fsimmons@pcc.edu> wrote: > >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:25:55 -0500 (EST) >> From: robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> >> To: "election-methods@electorama.com" >> <election-methods@electorama.com> >> Subject: [EM] Just to let you know that I got into my first good >> fight... >> Message-ID: <938610629.649285.1611948355070@privateemail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> ... with Terry Bouricius, who is the very person that told me about this >> mailing list and had posted to this list about a decade ago. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7ACMAkc54 >> >> If you scroll past the FairVote dreck to 32:17, you'll see where I make >> the case that it failed us in Burlington Vermont in 2009. > > > Excellent, thorough, clear, explanation of why IRV failed to deliver as > promised in Burlington in 2009 ... not a fluke, but the inevitable result > of eliminating fall-back choices before they have a chance to serve their > purported purpose ... convincing evidence that IRV/RCV is not good enough > to replace FPP PLurality. > > If only Robert Bristow-Johnson had been allowed a few more minutes he > could have introduced some of the simple solutions to the deficiencies of > IRV that are well known to EM list participants. > > Some IRV supporters excuse IRV by saying "no method's perfect." True, just > like no internal combustion engine has 100 percent efficiency ... but that > doesn't mean we can never improve on Henry Ford's Model T. > >> >> You can also get my paper about it here: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/umfyn6roysithpg/The%20Impetus%2C%20Necessity%2C%20and%20Purpose%20of%20Ranked-Choice%20Voting.pdf?dl=0 >> >> And you can see a Scientific American article coauthored by Nobel >> laureate Eric Maskin here: >> >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jl8cwhwhdsy10gh/The%20Fairest%20Vote%20of%20All.pdf?dl=0 >> >> Comments welcome. >> >> -- >> >> r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com >> >> "Imagination is more important than knowledge." >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Election-Methods mailing list >> Election-Methods@lists.electorama.com >> http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 198, Issue 8 >> ************************************************ >> > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >