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Panelists for KC, MO, ca. Aug 17-21?

JQ
Jameson Quinn
Thu, Jun 9, 2016 4:17 PM

I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction Society's
"Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in order to help
explain various proposals that have been put forward to fix the nomination
system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid puppy" situation (a
group of strategic voters who have gained disproportionate representation
among the finalists for the last two years; google it for more info). I
have been offered time for a panel discussion on the future of democracy,
elections, and voting. Does anybody on these lists know anyone besides me
who would be good for such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these
issues, whether it's voting rights, abstract election systems, voting
technology, moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or
anything related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes
for a more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd
love people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions
welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself.

I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction Society's "Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in order to help explain various proposals that have been put forward to fix the nomination system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid puppy" situation (a group of strategic voters who have gained disproportionate representation among the finalists for the last two years; google it for more info). I have been offered time for a panel discussion on the future of democracy, elections, and voting. Does anybody on these lists know anyone besides me who would be good for such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these issues, whether it's voting rights, abstract election systems, voting technology, moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or anything related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes for a more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd love people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself.
RL
Richard Lung
Thu, Jun 9, 2016 9:02 PM

To Jameson Quinn,

The best available answer to problem of bloc voting is proportional
representation of mostprefered individual literary choices by the single
transferable vote. Make it easy on yourself by downloading the Meek
method STV computer count. I think it's freely available from the
Electoral Reform Society. If not they could tell you where. (The New
Zealand Electoral Commission use this method for some official elections.)

Meek STV will proportionally represent the greatest preferences of any
camp or anti-camp, whether SJWs or Rabid Puppies or neither.

I suggest nominations for each category as an STV five member
constituency, electing the first five preferences in each category.
Voters allowed as many prefernces as they like.

A second-round could elect a winner and runner-up to an STV two member
constituency.

The problem with IRV, as an exclusion count, was summed up by Winston
Churchill: the worst votes for the worst candidates.

By the way, I solved this problem with my innovation of Binomial STV,
which uses a rational exclusion count, avoiding premature exclusion, as
well as a rational election count. It would be useful in polarised
elections, like the Hugos, because it enables voters to exclude
candidates or options, they least like, as well as elect those they most
like.

In response to an EM group member, I web-paged an example of how it works.

From

Richard Lung.

On 09/06/2016 17:17, Jameson Quinn wrote:

I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction
Society's "Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in
order to help explain various proposals that have been put forward to
fix the nomination system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid
puppy" situation (a group of strategic voters who have gained
disproportionate representation among the finalists for the last two
years; google it for more info). I have been offered time for a panel
discussion on the future of democracy, elections, and voting. Does
anybody on these lists know anyone besides me who would be good for
such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these issues, whether it's
voting rights, abstract election systems, voting technology,
moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or anything
related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes for a
more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd love
people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions
welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself.


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E-books (mostly available free or reader-sets-price)
http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/colverse.html
Includes the series of books on:
Democracy Science (starting with electoral reform and research);
Commentaries (literature and liberty; science and democracy);
Collected verse (in five books).

To Jameson Quinn, The best available answer to problem of bloc voting is proportional representation of mostprefered individual literary choices by the single transferable vote. Make it easy on yourself by downloading the Meek method STV computer count. I think it's freely available from the Electoral Reform Society. If not they could tell you where. (The New Zealand Electoral Commission use this method for some official elections.) Meek STV will proportionally represent the greatest preferences of any camp or anti-camp, whether SJWs or Rabid Puppies or neither. I suggest nominations for each category as an STV five member constituency, electing the first five preferences in each category. Voters allowed as many prefernces as they like. A second-round could elect a winner and runner-up to an STV two member constituency. The problem with IRV, as an exclusion count, was summed up by Winston Churchill: the worst votes for the worst candidates. By the way, I solved this problem with my innovation of Binomial STV, which uses a rational exclusion count, avoiding premature exclusion, as well as a rational election count. It would be useful in polarised elections, like the Hugos, because it enables voters to exclude candidates or options, they least like, as well as elect those they most like. In response to an EM group member, I web-paged an example of how it works. From Richard Lung. On 09/06/2016 17:17, Jameson Quinn wrote: > I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction > Society's "Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in > order to help explain various proposals that have been put forward to > fix the nomination system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid > puppy" situation (a group of strategic voters who have gained > disproportionate representation among the finalists for the last two > years; google it for more info). I have been offered time for a panel > discussion on the future of democracy, elections, and voting. Does > anybody on these lists know anyone besides me who would be good for > such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these issues, whether it's > voting rights, abstract election systems, voting technology, > moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or anything > related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes for a > more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd love > people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions > welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself. > > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info -- Richard Lung. E-books (mostly available free or reader-sets-price) http://www.voting.ukscientists.com/colverse.html Includes the series of books on: Democracy Science (starting with electoral reform and research); Commentaries (literature and liberty; science and democracy); Collected verse (in five books).
TP
Toby Pereira
Sun, Jul 31, 2016 2:35 PM

How is this coming along?

On Thursday, 9 June 2016 17:17:22 UTC+1, Jameson Quinn wrote:

I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction Society's
"Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in order to help
explain various proposals that have been put forward to fix the nomination
system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid puppy" situation (a
group of strategic voters who have gained disproportionate representation
among the finalists for the last two years; google it for more info). I
have been offered time for a panel discussion on the future of democracy,
elections, and voting. Does anybody on these lists know anyone besides me
who would be good for such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these
issues, whether it's voting rights, abstract election systems, voting
technology, moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or
anything related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes
for a more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd
love people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions
welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself.

How is this coming along? On Thursday, 9 June 2016 17:17:22 UTC+1, Jameson Quinn wrote: > > I will be attending MidAmeriCon II, the World Science Fiction Society's > "Worldcon" in Kansas City, Missouri, from August 17-21, in order to help > explain various proposals that have been put forward to fix the nomination > system for the Hugo awards to deal with the "rabid puppy" situation (a > group of strategic voters who have gained disproportionate representation > among the finalists for the last two years; google it for more info). I > have been offered time for a panel discussion on the future of democracy, > elections, and voting. Does anybody on these lists know anyone besides me > who would be good for such a panel? Anybody who's interested in these > issues, whether it's voting rights, abstract election systems, voting > technology, moderation or reputation systems in social networks, or > anything related, would be great. A certain amount of disagreement makes > for a more interesting panel, so I'm not looking for conformity and I'd > love people with less of a focus on abstract voting theory. Any suggestions > welcome; I'd be happy to do the follow-up myself. >