election-methods@mailman.electorama.com

Technical discussion of election methods

View all threads

Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 208, Issue 23

SB
steve bosworth
Mon, Nov 22, 2021 4:13 AM

Today's Topics:

  1. How Evaluative Proportional Representation (EPR) works

From: Steve Bosworth

TO: Richard and others

Thank you Richard both for your questions and adding the Topic for me. Correctly, you ask me to clarify my terms in your following paragraph:

Richard (R): Here are some ambiguous concepts:

  • Using the word "proxy" without saying what it means in this context [please see below].
    As a guess, if your method gives unequal voting weight to the elected
    council members, that needs to be explicitly stated [Yes, and please see below].

  • The words "graded that candidate highly" are unclear regarding HOW highly[please see below].

  • The words "not enough" aren't specific.[please see below]

  • The words "contains no such remaining highest graded candidate" are
    unclear.[please see below].

  • Not explaining what happens when two or more candidates are rated at
    the same preference level. This might need to be a separate paragraph.[please see the underlined words in Stage 1 below].

Steve (S): I agree that all the terms you ask about must be made clear. My initial brevity did not supply this for you and probably many others. Please let me make these terms clear now. However, before I do so, let me also offer to attach to an email any or all of the following: My co-authored Paper which expands on the EPR article we published in 2020: https://www.jpolrisk.com/legislatures-elected-by-evaluative-proportional-representationepr-an-algorithm-v3/.; the relevant algorithm; and Appendix A: which provides a comprehensive description of each step in EPR’s count.

Next, I propose to clarifying the words and phrases listed by Richard by adding more explanatory words [in square brackets] after each questioned word within the brief words that I initially offered:

Steve (S):

Like majority judgment (MJ), EPR invites you to vote most expressively

by grading at least one candidate?s suitability for office as either
Excellent, Very Good, Good, Acceptable, Poor, or Reject. You can award
the same grade to more than one candidate. You are assured [guaranteed] that your one
EPR vote of at least Acceptable will quantitatively increase the voting
power [weighted vote]

in the council of the elected candidate who receives your ?highest

possible grade?. [The highest grade that must be added to one of the winner's weighted vote in the council as determined by following the rules of the EPR count as illustrated below].

When possible, your highest grade on your ballot is added to the running
total of that elected member. [For an EPR at-large election of a seven-member council, each of the seven elected candidates must have received one of the seven largest numbers of votes by the beginning of Stage 3 of the count (please see below). Each of these votes must stand for a grade of at least Acceptable].

If this is not possible because not enough other citizens graded that candidate highly [as at least Acceptable],

your vote is instead counted for the elected candidate your ballot awarded its remaining

highest grade. If your ballot contains no such remaining highest graded
candidate, your proxy vote [Your ballot automatically becomes a proxy vote if and when it is discovered that none of the candidates you graded as at least Acceptable has been elected. In that event, during Stage 4, the candidate on the ballot you awarded your highest grade must publicly transfers your proxy vote to the weighted vote of the elected candidate he or she judges to be most qualified for office. You can prohibits this use of your proxy vote by circling the relevant "NO" on your ballot.]

your proxy vote equally increases the voting power of the

elected candidate your highest graded candidate publicly judges to be
the most suitable for office.

The above may be further clarified by a more detailed example of EPR?s
four-stage count:

Imagine you have graded the candidates on the ballot as follows: Excellent:
both Collins and Levy; Very Good: Cosby; Good: Neuman; Acceptable: Glover

The first rounds of Stage 1 of the EPR count determine to which of the
candidates’ running total of votes your Excellent is exclusively but
provisionally added : either Collins’s or Levy’s. It goes to the
candidate who has the largest number of votes at that point in the count
(ties broken by lot). This is justified by the democratic assumption
that the candidate who has more votes is probably better.

After counting all the ballots that award at least one candidate an
Excellent, next are similarly counted all the remaining ballots that
awarded Very Good as their highest grade. Similarly, the remaining
ballots are then counted that used Good as their highest grade. Finally,
all the remaining ballots using Acceptable as their highest grade are
counted.

Say your Excellent goes to Levy. Again, in Stage 1, your Excellent is
added only provisionally to Levy. This is because your ballot may have
to be transferred to another candidate by Stage 2 if Levy has received
too many votes of at least Acceptable, as explained next .

To avoid the remote but anti-democratic possibility of a candidate being
able to dictate to the council by retaining more than 50% of all the
weighted votes in the council, our EPR algorithm does not allow a member
to retain more than 20% of these votes. This requires at least three
members to agree before any majority decision can be made in the council.

Consequently, if Levy had received more than 20% in Stage 1, in Stage
2, your ballot could be selected by lot as one of the surplus ballots to
be transferred to the remaining highest graded candidate on your ballot.
If so selected, your ballot would automatically be transferred to
Collins (unless receiving your ballot would give her a surplus). If this
would happen, your ballot is instead transferred under the same
condition either to Cosby, Newman, or Glover. If none of these
candidates are eligible, your proxy vote is finally added in Stage 4
to the weighted vote of the winner publicly judged by Levy (the candidate
you gave your highest grade) to be most fit for office. If you want, you
may prohibit this use of your proxy vote by circling NO in the relevant
box near the end of your ballot.

At the beginning of Stage 3, the seven candidates to be elected are
those who have accrued the largest numbers of votes by that stage. All
the ballots currently held by candidates not elected are transferred to
one of the winners in the same way as outlined for Stage 2 above. As a
result, your vote equally adds to the weighted vote of the winner that
finally receives your highest grade, remaining highest grade, or proxy
vote – the winner you see as likely to represent your hopes and concerns
most faithfully.

What do you think?

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:46:51 -0800
From: "Richard, the VoteFair guy" electionmethods@votefair.org
To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com
Subject: [EM] How Evaluative Proportional Representation (EPR) works
Message-ID: c2c73aa2-307d-b641-497e-432cc6172e18@votefair.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Under the subject of "(no subject)" Steve Bosworth wrote:
On 11/19/2021 12:08 PM, steve bosworth wrote:

... You are assured that your one
EPR vote of at least Acceptable will quantitatively increase
the voting power in the council of the elected candidate who
receives your ?highest possible grade?.

When possible, your highest grade on your ballot is added to
the running total of that elected member. If this is not
possible because not enough other citizens graded that
candidate highly, your ballot is instead counted for the
elected candidate your ballot awarded its remaining
highest grade. If your ballot contains no such remaining
highest graded candidate, your proxy vote equally increases
the voting power of the elected candidate your highest graded
candidate publicly judges to be the most suitable for office.

I've added a subject because "(no subject)" is not acceptable.

Steve, you need to improve the above wording, both to allow us to give
you feedback, and because an unambiguous wording will be needed to enact
your actual intended method (and not end up with what someone else
changes the wording to become):

Here are some ambiguous concepts:

  • Using the word "proxy" without saying what it means in this context.
    As a guess, if your method gives unequal voting weight to the elected
    council members, that needs to be explicitly stated.

  • The words "graded that candidate highly" are unclear regarding HOW highly.

  • The words "not enough" aren't specific.

  • The words "contains no such remaining highest graded candidate" are
    unclear.

  • Not explaining what happens when two or more candidates are rated at
    the same preference level. This might need to be a separate paragraph.

I agree there's a need for a multi-winner STV-like method that uses
rated ballots, and is better than STV.

But without being able to understand your words it's not possible to
know whether your method meets that need.

As always, I'm offering my opinion, and others might disagree.

Richard Fobes
The VoteFair guy

On 11/19/2021 12:08 PM, steve bosworth wrote:

TO: All EM contributors

FROM: Steve

 I agree with the recent discussions recallingthe virtues of STV.
 However, my co-authors and I believe we have created an advance on
 STV. It iscalled evaluative proportional representation (EPR) and we
 would very much like EM contributors to challenge and test the
 validity of the following claims we make for EPR.

 If STV is used to elect a seven-member city council at-large, about
 12% of all the citizens? votes cast would be wasted in the sense
 that they did not help to elect a representative of their choice. Of
 course, this is much better than about half of the votes being
 wasted as is frequently the casewhen plurality at-large is being
 use. For example, collectively the current seven members of Santa
 Cruz Californiacitycouncil were elected by an average of about 46%
 of all the votes cast. This means that about 54% of my fellow
 citizens? votes were wasted, or ?diluted? in the sense meant in my
 understanding of theCalifornia Voting Rights Act (CVRA). This is why
 Santa Cruz is under threat of beingsued according tothis act.

 However, we argue that the adoption of EPR at-large elections would
 provide the most democratic remedy. This is because itremovessuch
 ?dilution? as much as possible. In fact, we claim that EPR
 guarantees that each citizen?svote will equally add to the voting
 power of the elected candidate they see as likely to represent their
 hopes and concerns most faithfully. This means the council will be
 proportionally elected by all voters (100%). Each member will have a
 different weighted vote in the council exactly equal to the number
 of citizens? votes counted for them.

_How Evaluative Proportional Representation Works:_Copied to above.

Today's Topics: 1. How Evaluative Proportional Representation (EPR) works From: Steve Bosworth TO: Richard and others Thank you Richard both for your questions and adding the Topic for me. Correctly, you ask me to clarify my terms in your following paragraph: Richard (R): Here are some ambiguous concepts: * Using the word "proxy" without saying what it means in this context [please see below]. As a guess, if your method gives unequal voting weight to the elected council members, that needs to be explicitly stated [Yes, and please see below]. * The words "graded that candidate highly" are unclear regarding HOW highly[please see below]. * The words "not enough" aren't specific.[please see below] * The words "contains no such remaining highest graded candidate" are unclear.[please see below]. * Not explaining what happens when two or more candidates are rated at the same preference level. This might need to be a separate paragraph.[please see the underlined words in Stage 1 below]. Steve (S): I agree that all the terms you ask about must be made clear. My initial brevity did not supply this for you and probably many others. Please let me make these terms clear now. However, before I do so, let me also offer to attach to an email any or all of the following: My co-authored Paper which expands on the EPR article we published in 2020: https://www.jpolrisk.com/legislatures-elected-by-evaluative-proportional-representationepr-an-algorithm-v3/.; the relevant algorithm; and Appendix A: which provides a comprehensive description of each step in EPR’s count. Next, I propose to clarifying the words and phrases listed by Richard by adding more explanatory words [in square brackets] after each questioned word within the brief words that I initially offered: Steve (S): Like majority judgment (MJ), EPR invites you to vote most expressively > by grading at least one candidate?s suitability for office as either > Excellent, Very Good, Good, Acceptable, Poor, or Reject. You can award > the same grade to more than one candidate. You are assured [guaranteed] that your one > EPR vote of at least Acceptable will quantitatively increase the voting > power [weighted vote] in the council of the elected candidate who receives your ?highest > possible grade?. [The highest grade that must be added to one of the winner's weighted vote in the council as determined by following the rules of the EPR count as illustrated below]. > > When possible, your highest grade on your ballot is added to the running > total of that elected member. [For an EPR at-large election of a seven-member council, each of the seven elected candidates must have received one of the seven largest numbers of votes by the beginning of Stage 3 of the count (please see below). Each of these votes must stand for a grade of at least Acceptable]. If this is not possible because not enough other citizens graded that candidate highly [as at least Acceptable], your vote is instead counted for the elected candidate your ballot awarded its remaining > highest grade. If your ballot contains no such remaining highest graded > candidate, your proxy vote [Your ballot automatically becomes a proxy vote if and when it is discovered that none of the candidates you graded as at least Acceptable has been elected. In that event, during Stage 4, the candidate on the ballot you awarded your highest grade must publicly transfers your proxy vote to the weighted vote of the elected candidate he or she judges to be most qualified for office. You can prohibits this use of your proxy vote by circling the relevant "NO" on your ballot.] your proxy vote equally increases the voting power of the > elected candidate your highest graded candidate publicly judges to be > the most suitable for office. > > The above may be further clarified by a more detailed example of EPR?s > four-stage count: > >Imagine you have graded the candidates on the ballot as follows: Excellent: > both Collins and Levy; Very Good: Cosby; Good: Neuman; Acceptable: Glover > > The first rounds of Stage 1 of the EPR count determine to which of the > candidates’ running total of votes your Excellent is exclusively but > provisionally added : either Collins’s or Levy’s. It goes to the > candidate who has the largest number of votes at that point in the count > (ties broken by lot). This is justified by the democratic assumption > that the candidate who has more votes is probably better. > > After counting all the ballots that award at least one candidate an > Excellent, next are similarly counted all the remaining ballots that > awarded Very Good as their highest grade. Similarly, the remaining > ballots are then counted that used Good as their highest grade. Finally, > all the remaining ballots using Acceptable as their highest grade are > counted. > > Say your Excellent goes to Levy. Again, in Stage 1, your Excellent is > added only provisionally to Levy. This is because your ballot may have > to be transferred to another candidate by Stage 2 if Levy has received >too many votes of at least Acceptable, as explained next . > > To avoid the remote but anti-democratic possibility of a candidate being > able to dictate to the council by retaining more than 50% of all the > weighted votes in the council, our EPR algorithm does not allow a member > to retain more than 20% of these votes. This requires at least three > members to agree before any majority decision can be made in the council. > > Consequently, if Levy had received more than 20% in Stage 1, in Stage > 2, your ballot could be selected by lot as one of the surplus ballots to > be transferred to the remaining highest graded candidate on your ballot. > If so selected, your ballot would automatically be transferred to > Collins (unless receiving your ballot would give her a surplus). If this > would happen, your ballot is instead transferred under the same > condition either to Cosby, Newman, or Glover. If none of these > candidates are eligible, your proxy vote is finally added in Stage 4 > to the weighted vote of the winner publicly judged by Levy (the candidate > you gave your highest grade) to be most fit for office. If you want, you > may prohibit this use of your proxy vote by circling NO in the relevant > box near the end of your ballot. > > At the beginning of Stage 3, the seven candidates to be elected are > those who have accrued the largest numbers of votes by that stage. All > the ballots currently held by candidates not elected are transferred to > one of the winners in the same way as outlined for Stage 2 above. As a > result, your vote equally adds to the weighted vote of the winner that > finally receives your highest grade, remaining highest grade, or proxy > vote – the winner you see as likely to represent your hopes and concerns > most faithfully. > > What do you think? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:46:51 -0800 From: "Richard, the VoteFair guy" <electionmethods@votefair.org> To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Subject: [EM] How Evaluative Proportional Representation (EPR) works Message-ID: <c2c73aa2-307d-b641-497e-432cc6172e18@votefair.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Under the subject of "(no subject)" Steve Bosworth wrote: On 11/19/2021 12:08 PM, steve bosworth wrote: > ... You are assured that your one > EPR vote of at least Acceptable will quantitatively increase > the voting power in the council of the elected candidate who > receives your ?highest possible grade?. > > When possible, your highest grade on your ballot is added to > the running total of that elected member. If this is not > possible because not enough other citizens graded that > candidate highly, your ballot is instead counted for the > elected candidate your ballot awarded its remaining > highest grade. If your ballot contains no such remaining > highest graded candidate, your proxy vote equally increases > the voting power of the elected candidate your highest graded > candidate publicly judges to be the most suitable for office. I've added a subject because "(no subject)" is not acceptable. Steve, you need to improve the above wording, both to allow us to give you feedback, and because an unambiguous wording will be needed to enact your actual intended method (and not end up with what someone else changes the wording to become): Here are some ambiguous concepts: * Using the word "proxy" without saying what it means in this context. As a guess, if your method gives unequal voting weight to the elected council members, that needs to be explicitly stated. * The words "graded that candidate highly" are unclear regarding HOW highly. * The words "not enough" aren't specific. * The words "contains no such remaining highest graded candidate" are unclear. * Not explaining what happens when two or more candidates are rated at the same preference level. This might need to be a separate paragraph. I agree there's a need for a multi-winner STV-like method that uses rated ballots, and is better than STV. But without being able to understand your words it's not possible to know whether your method meets that need. As always, I'm offering my opinion, and others might disagree. Richard Fobes The VoteFair guy On 11/19/2021 12:08 PM, steve bosworth wrote: > TO: All EM contributors > > FROM: Steve > > I agree with the recent discussions recallingthe virtues of STV. > However, my co-authors and I believe we have created an advance on > STV. It iscalled evaluative proportional representation (EPR) and we > would very much like EM contributors to challenge and test the > validity of the following claims we make for EPR. > > If STV is used to elect a seven-member city council at-large, about > 12% of all the citizens? votes cast would be wasted in the sense > that they did not help to elect a representative of their choice. Of > course, this is much better than about half of the votes being > wasted as is frequently the casewhen plurality at-large is being > use. For example, collectively the current seven members of Santa > Cruz Californiacitycouncil were elected by an average of about 46% > of all the votes cast. This means that about 54% of my fellow > citizens? votes were wasted, or ?diluted? in the sense meant in my > understanding of theCalifornia Voting Rights Act (CVRA). This is why > Santa Cruz is under threat of beingsued according tothis act. > > However, we argue that the adoption of EPR at-large elections would > provide the most democratic remedy. This is because itremovessuch > ?dilution? as much as possible. In fact, we claim that EPR > guarantees that each citizen?svote will equally add to the voting > power of the elected candidate they see as likely to represent their > hopes and concerns most faithfully. This means the council will be > proportionally elected by all voters (100%). Each member will have a > different weighted vote in the council exactly equal to the number > of citizens? votes counted for them. > > _How Evaluative Proportional Representation Works:_Copied to above.