---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 19:20 Subject: Re: [EM] Purpose of a poll To: Joseph Malkevitch <jmalkevitch@york.cuny.edu> If the voting had to be now, with the absence of advantage-claims & at least an outline of how they were determined, then I’d have to equal-rank at least 12 or more of the methods. On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 19:11 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:49 Joseph Malkevitch <jmalkevitch@york.cuny.edu> > wrote: > >> >> >> As regards the poll, we know there is data that suggests that the order >> of the choices on the ballot can affect the results so I would recommend if >> a poll is conducted that the choices be listed randomly. >> > > Surely listing them in alphabetical order would be good enough. > > > Also there are currently nominated choices where I do not understand how >> these methods work. It would be useful to have succinct descriptions of the >> methods listed when carried out with the ballot type used. >> > > Yes, & their advantages—what they offer that the others don’t. …& how > that was determined. > > > While I understand that there are downsides, I like encouraging honest >> ordinal ballots where all choices must appear with no ties (e.g. strict >> preferences; truncation not allowed). >> > > Why would you want that? > > If we don’t know the advantages the at least 23 methods, then no > merit-comparison among them is possible. One shouldn’t vote on what one > doesn’t know. Rank that set equally. > > Defensive-truncation is a powerful defensive-strategy in the > Minimal-Defense complying methods. …the wv Condorcet methods. They’re also > powerfully autodeterent, but a voter should have the right to use the > most-reliably burial-penalizing defensive-truncation if desired. > > So votes in my classes were done that way. For the proposed poll there are >> so many choices already that even reporting only a vote matrix showing how >> many voters reported X preferred to Y and Y preferred to X would be a large >> array. >> > > We should report an output ranking…the finishing order. …even though its > top & bottom ends are most of interest. > >> >> >> Joe >> >> —————————————— >> Joseph Malkevitch >> >> Email: >> jmalkevitch@york.cuny.edu >> Web page: >> http://york.cuny.edu/~malk/ >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >