It is very difficult (if not impossible) to modify IRV without causing
it to lose some criterion compliance
that a lot of its supporters like. This is part of the case that it is
in its way a good method, certainly compared
to STAR.
49 A 24 B 27 C>B| Here, with the C>B voters extending their approval to
B, the winner in this suggested "approval-enhanced" method is B. But
plain IRV meets Later-no-Harm, which a lot of people like. In this
example if the 24 B voters change to B>C (even without approving C) then
the winner would change from B to C, breaking LNHarm.
49 A 24 B>C 27 C>B|
Now the new IRV winner is C and C also now pairwise beats both the
other candidates.
I am sure that a more complicated example could be found that
demonstrates that it also fails Later-no-Help, so maybe Toby
was right in calling this a "kludge" after all.
Chris Benham
[EM] Approval-enhanced IRV (take 2)
C.Benhamcbenham at adam.com.au
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This is I think more appealing and streamlined than my earlier
version. Voter strictly rank from the top however many candidates
they wish. Also they can mark one candidate as the highest ranked
candidate they approve. Default approval is only for the top-ranked
candidate. Determine the IRV winner. On ballots that approve the IRV
winner, approval for any candidate or candidates ranked below the IRV
winner is withdrawn. Elect the pairwise winner between the (thus
modified) approval winner and the IRV winner. This works fine in the
same way as the earlier version in the example given to talk about
Minimal Defense and Chicken Dilemma. It is more Condorcet efficient
than normal IRV, and meets (or comes close enough to meeting)
appropriately modified versions of the LNHs and Minimal Defense and
Chicken Dilemma. 49 A (sincere might be A>B) 24 B (sincere might be
B>C) 27 C>B If the C voters B>A preference is strong they can by
approving B avoid regret for not Compromising. Then the final pairwise
comparison will be between B and A and B will win. Chris Benham
It is very difficult (if not impossible) to modify IRV without causing
it to lose some criterion compliance
that a lot of its supporters like. This is part of the case that it is
in its way a good method, certainly compared
to STAR.
49 A 24 B 27 C>B| Here, with the C>B voters extending their approval to
B, the winner in this suggested "approval-enhanced" method is B. But
plain IRV meets Later-no-Harm, which a lot of people like. In this
example if the 24 B voters change to B>C (even without approving C) then
the winner would change from B to C, breaking LNHarm.
49 A 24 B>C 27 C>B|
Now the new IRV winner is C and C also now pairwise beats both the
other candidates.
I am sure that a more complicated example could be found that
demonstrates that it also fails Later-no-Help, so maybe Toby
was right in calling this a "kludge" after all.
Chris Benham
> [EM] Approval-enhanced IRV (take 2)
>
> *C.Benham*cbenham at adam.com.au
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> /Mon Aug 21 09:36:20 PDT 2023/
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> This is I think more appealing and streamlined than my earlier
> version. *Voter strictly rank from the top however many candidates
> they wish. Also they can mark one candidate as the highest ranked
> candidate they approve. Default approval is only for the top-ranked
> candidate. Determine the IRV winner. On ballots that approve the IRV
> winner, approval for any candidate or candidates ranked below the IRV
> winner is withdrawn. Elect the pairwise winner between the (thus
> modified) approval winner and the IRV winner.* This works fine in the
> same way as the earlier version in the example given to talk about
> Minimal Defense and Chicken Dilemma. It is more Condorcet efficient
> than normal IRV, and meets (or comes close enough to meeting)
> appropriately modified versions of the LNHs and Minimal Defense and
> Chicken Dilemma. 49 A (sincere might be A>B) 24 B (sincere might be
> B>C) 27 C>B If the C voters B>A preference is strong they can by
> approving B avoid regret for not Compromising. Then the final pairwise
> comparison will be between B and A and B will win. Chris Benham