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non-transferable voting is defective

RL
Richard Lung
Sun, Apr 14, 2024 7:14 AM

The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG
Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't.

Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a
single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two
antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics
perfectly, and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which
generally forms two coalitions of left versus right, from a leading
party list with some 20% or 30+% of the votes.

The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic
self-seeking shambles.

Regards,

Richard Lung.

The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't. Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics perfectly, and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which generally forms two coalitions of left versus right, from a leading party list with some 20% or 30+% of the votes. The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic self-seeking shambles. Regards, Richard Lung.
RL
Richard Lung
Mon, Apr 15, 2024 6:55 AM

I received this:

"You still haven’t answered the question of what you mean by “electoral
truth.” "

I've just given you an answer, which you have not answered.
Please do not be impertinent. It is only avoiding the issue of election
method, of which you are accusing others.

Regards,

Richard Lung.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [EM] non-transferable voting is defective
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:14:24 +0100
From: Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.com
To: EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com

The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG
Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't.

Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a
single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two
antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics
perfectly, and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which
generally forms two coalitions of left versus right, from a leading
party list with some 20% or 30+% of the votes.

The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic
self-seeking shambles.

Regards,

Richard Lung.


Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info

I received this: "You still haven’t answered the question of what you mean by “electoral truth.” " I've just given you an answer, which you have not answered. Please do not be impertinent. It is only avoiding the issue of election method, of which you are accusing others. Regards, Richard Lung. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [EM] non-transferable voting is defective Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:14:24 +0100 From: Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> To: EM <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't. Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics perfectly, and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which generally forms two coalitions of left versus right, from a leading party list with some 20% or 30+% of the votes. The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic self-seeking shambles. Regards, Richard Lung. ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info
MG
Michael Garman
Mon, Apr 15, 2024 7:39 AM

That doesn’t mean some methods are “true” and others aren’t, as you said on
April 3. Some methods might be better, but that’s entirely different.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:56 AM Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.com
wrote:

I received this:

"You still haven’t answered the question of what you mean by “electoral
truth.” "
I've just given you an answer, which you have not answered.
Please do not be impertinent. It is only avoiding the issue of election
method, of which you are accusing others.

Regards,

Richard Lung.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [EM] non-transferable voting is defective
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:14:24 +0100
From: Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.com voting@ukscientists.com
To: EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com
election-methods@lists.electorama.com

The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG
Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't.

Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a
single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two
antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics perfectly,
and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which generally forms two
coalitions of left versus right, from a leading party list with some 20% or
30+% of the votes.

The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic
self-seeking shambles.

Regards,

Richard Lung.


Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
info

Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
info

That doesn’t mean some methods are “true” and others aren’t, as you said on April 3. Some methods might be better, but that’s entirely different. On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:56 AM Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> wrote: > > I received this: > > "You still haven’t answered the question of what you mean by “electoral > truth.” " > I've just given you an answer, which you have not answered. > Please do not be impertinent. It is only avoiding the issue of election > method, of which you are accusing others. > > Regards, > > Richard Lung. > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [EM] non-transferable voting is defective > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 08:14:24 +0100 > From: Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> <voting@ukscientists.com> > To: EM <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> > <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> > > > The reason to believe non-transferable voting is defective comes from HG > Wells, and I fully agree with it. It seems someone here doesn't. > > Paraphrasing, Wells said, whenever the simple and obvious method of a > single non-transferable vote is used, elections divide into two > antagonistic factions, describing modern Anglo-American politics perfectly, > and also, for that matter, the party-list world, which generally forms two > coalitions of left versus right, from a leading party list with some 20% or > 30+% of the votes. > > The voting systems of the world are a politicians-made anarchic > self-seeking shambles. > > Regards, > > Richard Lung. > > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >