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Re: [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12

SB
steve bosworth
Sat, Mar 9, 2024 8:52 PM

Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ

3/9/2024
From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com

What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional prime minister.
As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of highest grades regarding their suitability for this office?  This number would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote of confidence.

End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12


Today's Topics: 1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ 3/9/2024 From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional prime minister. As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of highest grades regarding their suitability for this office? This number would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote of confidence. End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12 *************************************************
CL
Closed Limelike Curves
Mon, Mar 11, 2024 6:54 AM

I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it
maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority
support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a
candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the
Archimedean property.)

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth stevebosworth@hotmail.com
wrote:

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ

3/9/2024
From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com

What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional
prime minister.
As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of highest
grades regarding their suitability for this office?  This number would also
be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a winner
would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the formation
of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote of
confidence.

End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12



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I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the Archimedean property.) On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth <stevebosworth@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ > > 3/9/2024 > From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com > > What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional > prime minister. > As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of highest > grades regarding their suitability for this office? This number would also > be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a winner > would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the formation > of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote of > confidence. > > End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12 > ************************************************* > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >
CL
Closed Limelike Curves
Mon, Mar 11, 2024 6:02 PM

Only somewhat relatedly, I'm thinking we should start calling Graduated
Majority Judgment something like "first-to-reach-majority", "first
majority", or "first majority wins". This avoids big, complicated words
like "graduated" that might confuse people.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 11:54 PM Closed Limelike Curves <
closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it
maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority
support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a
candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the
Archimedean property.)

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth stevebosworth@hotmail.com
wrote:

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ

3/9/2024
From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com

What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional
prime minister.
As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of
highest grades regarding their suitability for this office?  This number
would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a
winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the
formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote
of confidence.

End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12



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Only somewhat relatedly, I'm thinking we should start calling Graduated Majority Judgment something like "first-to-reach-majority", "first majority", or "first majority wins". This avoids big, complicated words like "graduated" that might confuse people. On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 11:54 PM Closed Limelike Curves < closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it > maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority > support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a > candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the > Archimedean property.) > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth <stevebosworth@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ >> >> 3/9/2024 >> From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com >> >> What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional >> prime minister. >> As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of >> highest grades regarding their suitability for this office? This number >> would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a >> winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the >> formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote >> of confidence. >> >> End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12 >> ************************************************* >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >
TS
Ted Stern
Mon, Mar 11, 2024 7:45 PM

See my post from a couple of weeks ago. I propose using a MJ-like seed
ranking to initialize and generate the marginal differences for a
Smith-compliant margin sort method.

http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2024-February/005386.html

While I'd like to use MJ instead of median rating score, I don't see an
obvious way to get a score sum in MJ, and in any case, the extra handling
of MJ is obviated by the margin sort.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 11:03 AM Closed Limelike Curves <
closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote:

Only somewhat relatedly, I'm thinking we should start calling Graduated
Majority Judgment something like "first-to-reach-majority", "first
majority", or "first majority wins". This avoids big, complicated words
like "graduated" that might confuse people.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 11:54 PM Closed Limelike Curves <
closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it
maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority
support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a
candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the
Archimedean property.)

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth stevebosworth@hotmail.com
wrote:

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ

3/9/2024
From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com

What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional
prime minister.
As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of
highest grades regarding their suitability for this office?  This number
would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a
winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the
formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote
of confidence.

End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12



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See my post from a couple of weeks ago. I propose using a MJ-like seed ranking to initialize and generate the marginal differences for a Smith-compliant margin sort method. http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2024-February/005386.html While I'd like to use MJ instead of median rating score, I don't see an obvious way to get a score sum in MJ, and in any case, the extra handling of MJ is obviated by the margin sort. On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 11:03 AM Closed Limelike Curves < closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote: > Only somewhat relatedly, I'm thinking we should start calling Graduated > Majority Judgment something like "first-to-reach-majority", "first > majority", or "first majority wins". This avoids big, complicated words > like "graduated" that might confuse people. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 11:54 PM Closed Limelike Curves < > closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think a Condorcet method would be most likely to do that (since it >> maximizes the chances that the elected candidate will have majority >> support). Majority Judgment can actually do arbitrarily badly at this--a >> candidate can win even if only one voter supports them. (It lacks the >> Archimedean property.) >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM steve bosworth <stevebosworth@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Electing Cabinets/Executive Committees – starting with MJ >>> >>> 3/9/2024 >>> From: stevebosworth@hotmail.com >>> >>> What do you think of using Majority Judgment to elect the provisional >>> prime minister. >>> As a result, this winner would have received the largest number of >>> highest grades regarding their suitability for this office? This number >>> would also be a majority of all the votes in the elected parliament. Such a >>> winner would seem to be the one most likely to be able to negotiate the >>> formation of a unified cabinet that would receive the needed majority vote >>> of confidence. >>> >>> End of Election-Methods Digest, Vol 236, Issue 12 >>> ************************************************* >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >> ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >