Fwd: [CES #15768] "Voting method" vs. "voting system"
I started a discussion on the electionscience@googlegroups.com list about
terminology — what should we call the set of things that includes approval,
plurality, borda, etc.? I'd like to take a more systematic look.
Options: voting system; voting method; election system; election method;
electoral system; electoral method
voting system:
wikipedia article
55K hits in Google Scholar; of top 20, 3 are using it for the thing I want
(TIW)
3.3M hits in Google; of top 20, 9 are TIW, of which 3 are WP.
Otherwise, mostly used for stuff like "electronic voting method"
voting method:
13K hits GS. Top 20, 1 is TIW.
196K hits Google. Top 20, 16 are TIW.
Academically, seems to refer to algorithms for other purposes which involve
simulated "voting" by various sub-algorithms.
election method:
2.9K hits GS. Top 20, 6 are TIW.
46K hits G. Top 20, 16 are TIW, of which 7 are WP.
election system:
20K hits GS. Top 20, 2 are TIW
460K hits G. Top 20, 2 are TIW
electoral system:
Endorsed by WP in first sentence of article.
145k hits GS. Top 20, ~13 are approx TIW, but with a tendency to combine
TIW with country-specific factors.
2.6M hits G. Top 20, ~15 are TIW, but with same caveat.
electoral method:
946 hits GS. Top 20, 16 are TIW
12K hits G. Top 20, 18 are TIW
By google trends (search frequency), the order is "voting" > "electoral" >
"election", and "system" >>> "method".
So "electoral method" is the most specific, but the rarest. "Electoral
system" is the winner in academic literature, but even there is not exactly
what we mean. "Voting method" is reasonably good in google, but is crappy
from an academic point of view.
This is not exactly clear-cut, but I think that of these, "voting method"
is what we should be using. The competing academic meaning is obviously
distinct and not confusable, unlike with the tough calls of "electoral
system". The search frequency of "voting" is higher than any of the other
modifier terms. And the system/method distinction makes sense to me, while
I am not clear on how I would explain a "voting/election/electoral"
distinction.
2017-02-10 10:53 GMT-05:00 Warren D Smith warren.wds@gmail.com:
"election method".
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Subject: [EM] Fwd: [CES #15768] "Voting method" vs. "voting system"
From: "Jameson Quinn" jameson.quinn@gmail.com
Date: Fri, February 10, 2017 12:05 pm
To: "EM" election-methods@lists.electorama.com
So "electoral method" is the most specific, but the rarest. "Electoral
system" is the winner in academic literature, but even there is not exactly
what we mean. "Voting method" is reasonably good in google, but is crappy
from an academic point of view.
This is not exactly clear-cut, but I think that of these, "voting method"
is what we should be using. The competing academic meaning is obviously
distinct and not confusable, unlike with the tough calls of "electoral
system". The search frequency of "voting" is higher than any of the other
modifier terms. And the system/method distinction makes sense to me, while
I am not clear on how I would explain a "voting/election/electoral"
distinction.
2017-02-10 10:53 GMT-05:00 Warren D Smith warren.wds@gmail.com:
"election method".
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i actually like "election method" over "voting method". �i think the former might be more descriptive and the latter sounds like something that only happens in the voting booth. �"voting method" almost sounds like "voting strategy" or
"voting tactic", e.g. bullet voting or compromising.
but "voting system" sounds like paperless machine vs. paper vs. punch card vs optical scan vs. anonymous vs. public town hall.
Approval, Score, Plurality (with or without Runoff), STV, Borda, Bucklin, Schulze,
Ranked Pairs, MinMax are all election methods.
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On 2/10/2017 2:19 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
i actually like "election method" over "voting method". i think the
former might be more descriptive and the latter sounds like something
that only happens in the voting booth. "voting method" almost sounds
like "voting strategy" or "voting tactic", e.g. bullet voting or
compromising.
but "voting system" sounds like paperless machine vs. paper vs. punch
card vs optical scan vs. anonymous vs. public town hall.
Approval, Score, Plurality (with or without Runoff), STV, Borda,
Bucklin, Schulze, Ranked Pairs, MinMax are all election methods.
= = = = =
[KB] That's exactly what I understood: "voting" is a micro reference
-- at the person level -- while "election" is a macro reference --
covering all the voting.
- Ken Bearman, Minneapolis MN
Hi there,
in the social choice community, it's (i.e., algorithms such as approval
voting, STV, plurality voting, D'Hondt, etc.) usually called a "voting
rule". In the broader sense, it also is a "social choice function" (in
that sense, a "voting function" should also be fine) Just for adding
more terms, the crypto protocol for it is sometimes called a "voting
scheme".
Best regards,
Michael
Am 10.02.2017 um 22:29 schrieb Ken B:
On 2/10/2017 2:19 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
i actually like "election method" over "voting method". i think the
former might be more descriptive and the latter sounds like something
that only happens in the voting booth. "voting method" almost sounds
like "voting strategy" or "voting tactic", e.g. bullet voting or
compromising.
but "voting system" sounds like paperless machine vs. paper vs. punch
card vs optical scan vs. anonymous vs. public town hall.
Approval, Score, Plurality (with or without Runoff), STV, Borda,
Bucklin, Schulze, Ranked Pairs, MinMax are all election methods.
= = = = =
[KB] That's exactly what I understood: "voting" is a micro reference
-- at the person level -- while "election" is a macro reference --
covering all the voting.
- Ken Bearman, Minneapolis MN
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