Pleased don't tell me what I am implyng by the word "truth". There is such a thing as right and wrong, even in voting methods. Regards, Richard Lung.

That’s simply not true. It’s a matter of what you choose to value, and it’s not your place to tell other people what they ought to value. Your conceit is as astonishing as your decision to put a period at the end of your signature is confusing. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:08 PM Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> wrote: > > Pleased don't tell me what I am implyng by the word "truth". There is > such a thing as right and wrong, even in voting methods. > > Regards, > > Richard Lung. > >

On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 07:10 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: That’s simply not true. It’s a matter of what you choose to value, and it’s > not your place to tell other people what they ought to value. > As Huxley said, thank you for proving that there’s no such thing as in-utterable nonsense. I asked EM a question. The participation suggested willingness to answer it. I proposed a poll on a particular question. They have a freedom-of-speech right to refuse to answer my question & make a different poll with a different topic. What anyone values is their business, but yes, I can tell them that if they change the topic & purpose of the poll, then they cancel the poll that this was. They “ought to” do whatever they want, including canceling the poll that people presumably weren’t participating in, if they so choose. Michael G. had already demonstrated a lot about himself with his hilariously contorted effort to defend FairVote’s well-known & widely recognized falsehoods. Alright :-) I’ve run out of patience. This waste of time could go on forever. When I proposed this (or is it now “that”?) poll, I had no idea how hard it was going to be to get an answer to the poll’s question, or for (at least the loudest) people here to make any progress on a project. I was hoping for an answer before the November election, hbut that now looks unlikely. Optimistically assuming that it might be possible, it would take much too long…be much too time-consuming. Change the poll to whatever you want, or maybe don’t d. I don’t have time for this. The other thing is that it’s now evident that if I, when quoting the poll’s results (if we pretend that there would be any before November), claimed that the current EM members (collectively) are people whose recommendations are valuable & should be listened-to, then I’d be a liar. Joe was right: This has been a pure farce. Go for it, I guess…or not. …& no, I’m not quitting EM, but only because its sometimes read by people who write papers in academic journals, where a few of my proposals here have been announced. … making it a good place to post proposals. I…just in case I again post a proposal. But, while keeping my membership, I won’t be visiting this forum, where the loud frequent posers can hardly be considered worth listening to. I’ll look-up how to turn off posting-announcements. Your conceit is as astonishing as your decision to put a period at the end > of your signature is confusing. > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:08 PM Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> > wrote: > >> >> Pleased don't tell me what I am implyng by the word "truth". There is >> such a thing as right and wrong, even in voting methods. >> >> Regards, >> >> Richard Lung. >> >> ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

>> But, while keeping my membership, I won’t be visiting this forum, where the loud frequent posers can hardly be considered worth listening to. I’ll look-up how to turn off posting-announcements. What a shame. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:14 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 07:10 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > > That’s simply not true. It’s a matter of what you choose to value, and >> it’s not your place to tell other people what they ought to value. >> > > As Huxley said, thank you for proving that there’s no such thing as > in-utterable nonsense. > > I asked EM a question. The participation suggested willingness to answer > it. I proposed a poll on a particular question. They have a > freedom-of-speech right to refuse to answer my question & make a different > poll with a different topic. > > What anyone values is their business, but yes, I can tell them that if > they change the topic & purpose of the poll, then they cancel the poll that > this was. > > They “ought to” do whatever they want, including canceling the poll that > people presumably weren’t participating in, if they so choose. > > Michael G. had already demonstrated a lot about himself with his > hilariously contorted effort to defend FairVote’s well-known & widely > recognized falsehoods. > > Alright :-) I’ve run out of patience. This waste of time could go on > forever. When I proposed this (or is it now “that”?) poll, I had no idea > how hard it was going to be to get an answer to the poll’s question, or for > (at least the loudest) people here to make any progress on a project. > I was hoping for an answer before the November election, hbut that now > looks unlikely. > > Optimistically assuming that it might be possible, it would take much too > long…be much too time-consuming. > > Change the poll to whatever you want, or maybe don’t d. > > I don’t have time for this. > > The other thing is that it’s now evident that if I, when quoting the > poll’s results (if we pretend that there would be any before November), > claimed that the current EM members (collectively) are people whose > recommendations are valuable & should be listened-to, then I’d be a liar. > > Joe was right: This has been a pure farce. > > Go for it, I guess…or not. > > …& no, I’m not quitting EM, but only because its sometimes read by people > who write papers in academic journals, where a few of my proposals here > have been announced. > > … making it a good place to post proposals. I…just in case I again post a > proposal. > > But, while keeping my membership, I won’t be visiting this forum, where > the loud frequent posers can hardly be considered worth listening to. I’ll > look-up how to turn off posting-announcements. > > > Your conceit is as astonishing as your decision to put a period at the end >> of your signature is confusing. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:08 PM Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Pleased don't tell me what I am implyng by the word "truth". There is >>> such a thing as right and wrong, even in voting methods. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Richard Lung. >>> >>> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >

Michael G. : Here’s the post that I referred to…but you were talking to Richard Lung, not to me as I believed at the time. I mistakenly thought it thought it was to me, about the poll. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 07:10 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > That’s simply not true. It’s a matter of what you choose to value, and > it’s not your place to tell other people what they ought to value. Your > conceit is as astonishing as your decision to put a period at the end of > your signature is confusing. > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 4:08 PM Richard Lung <voting@ukscientists.com> > wrote: > >> >> Pleased don't tell me what I am implyng by the word "truth". There is >> such a thing as right and wrong, even in voting methods. >> >> Regards, >> >> Richard Lung. >> >> ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >