Here's my transcription of the poll ballots. Let me know if I got any of them wrong, so I can fix them. Approval cutoffs are marked with dashes, and double dashes/equal signs separate the different ballots. Omitted numbers indicate equal-rank: ============================================================= Michael Ossipoff: 1 Approval 2 STAR 3 Approval with manual runoff 4 Benham Schwartz Woodall Woodall 7 Ranked Pairs (wv) 8 Minmax (wv) 9 Smith//Approval (implicit) -------------------------- 10 Schulze 11 Baldwin Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Double Defeat, Hare Margins-Sorted Approval Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Raynaud RCIPE Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//DAC Smith//Score 23 Majority Judgement 24 IRV 25 Plurality ============================================================= Michael Garman 1 IRV 2 STAR 3 Approval with manual runoff -------------------------- 4 Approval 5 Baldwin Benham Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Double Defeat, Hare Minmax (wv) Majority Judgement Margins-Sorted Approval Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Ranked Pairs (wv) Raynaud RCIPE Schulze Schwartz Woodall Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//Approval (implicit) Smith//DAC Smith//Score Woodall 25 Plurality ============================================================= Chris Benham 1 Margins-Sorted Approval -------------------------- 2 Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//Approval (implicit) IRV Benham Double Defeat, Hare 7 Ranked Pairs (wv) Schulze 9 Approval 10 Minmax (wv) 11 Baldwin Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Raynaud RCIPE Schwartz Woodall Smith//DAC Smith//Score Woodall 22 Majority Judgement 23 STAR Approval with manual runoff Plurality ============================================================= Joshua Boehme 1 Approval 2 Ranked Pairs (wv) 3 STAR 4 Woodall 5 Smith//DAC -------------------------- 6 Minmax (wv) 7 RCIPE 8 Benham 9 Margins-Sorted Approval 10 Smith//Approval (explicit) 11 Approval with manual runoff 12 Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes 13 Smith//Approval (implicit) 14 Double Defeat, Hare 15 Raynaud 16 Schulze 17 Schwartz Woodall 18 Smith//Score 19 Majority Judgement 20 Plurality 21 IRV 22 Condorcet//Borda (Black) 23 Baldwin 24 Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) ============================================================= fdpk69p6uq 1 STAR 2 Smith//Score 3 Baldwin Benham Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Raynaud Minmax (wv) Ranked Pairs (wv) Schulze Schwartz Woodall Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//Approval (implicit) Smith//DAC Woodall Margins-Sorted Approval Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath 19 Approval with manual runoff 20 Approval -------------------------- 21 RCIPE 22 Double Defeat, Hare 23 Majority Judgement 24 IRV 25 Plurality ============================================================= Kristofer Munsterhjelm 1 Ranked Pairs (wv) 2 Schulze Benham 4 Woodall 5 Minmax (wv) -------------------------- 6 Schwartz Woodall 7 Smith//Approval (implicit) Smith//Approval (explicit) 9 Smith//Score 10 Raynaud 11 Baldwin 12 Majority Judgement 13 Double Defeat, Hare Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Margins-Sorted Approval 17 Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) 18 Smith//DAC 19 Approval with manual runoff 20 STAR 21 RCIPE 22 Condorcet//Borda (Black) 23 Approval 24 IRV 25 Plurality ============================================================= Robert Bristow-Johnson 1 Condorcet//Plurality 2 Minmax (wv) 3 Ranked Pairs (wv) 4 Schulze 5 BTR-IRV -------------------------- 6 Baldwin Benham Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Margins-Sorted Approval Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Raynaud Schwartz Woodall Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//Approval (implicit) Smith//DAC Smith//Score Woodall 20 IRV 21 Approval 22 STAR 23 Plurality 24 Score ============================================================= Richard Fobes 1 RCIPE 2 Benham 3 Minmax (wv) 4 Ranked Pairs (wv) 5 Woodall -------------------------- 6 Schwartz Woodall 7 Baldwin 8 Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) 9 Condorcet//Borda (Black) 10 Schulze 11 Smith//Score 12 Raynaud 13 Max Strength Transitive Beatpath 14 Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes 15 Smith//DAC 16 Double Defeat, Hare 17 IRV 18 Majority Judgement 19 STAR 20 Approval 21 Margins-Sorted Approval 22 Smith//Approval (explicit) 23 Smith//Approval (implicit) 24 Plurality 25 Approval with manual runoff ============================================================= Toby Pereira 1 Approval 2 Smith//Score 3 Margins-Sorted Approval 4 Smith//Approval (explicit) 5 Ranked Pairs (wv) 6 Benham 7 Minmax (wv) 8 STAR -------------------------- 9 Approval with manual runoff Baldwin Condorcet//Borda (Black) Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Double Defeat, Hare IRV Majority Judgement Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Raynaud RCIPE Schulze Schwartz Woodall Smith//Approval (implicit) Smith//DAC Woodall 25 Plurality ============================================================= Closed Limelike Curves 1 STAR 2 Smith//Score 3 Score 4 Majority Judgement 5 Approval Smith//Approval (explicit) Smith//Approval (implicit) Margins-Sorted Approval Double Defeat, Hare 10 Approval with manual runoff -------------------------- 11 Ranked Pairs (wv) 12 Schulze 13 Baldwin Benham Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes Max Strength Transitive Beatpath Raynaud Schwartz Woodall Smith//DAC Woodall 22 Condorcet//Borda (Black) Minmax (wv) 24 RCIPE 25 IRV 26 Plurality ============================================================= Filip Ejlak 1 Benham 2 Schwartz Woodall 3 Woodall 4 Ranked Pairs (wv) 5 Schulze 6 Max Strength Transitive Beatpath 7 Minmax (wv) 8 Raynaud 9 Baldwin 10 RCIPE 11 IRV -------------------------- 12 Smith//DAC 13 Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes 14 Margins-Sorted Approval 15 Smith//Approval (explicit) 16 Smith//Approval (implicit) 17 Smith//Score 18 Double Defeat, Hare 19 Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) 20 Condorcet//Borda (Black) 21 Approval 22 Majority Judgement 23 Score 24 Approval with manual runoff 25 STAR 26 Plurality 27 Borda -km

Great work Kristofer, however ... Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method. I don't know which method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in methods. How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? Thank you Kristofer!! Richard Fobes The VoteFair guy On 5/16/2024 9:26 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > Here's my transcription of the poll ballots. Let me know if I got any of > them wrong, so I can fix them. Approval cutoffs are marked with dashes, > and double dashes/equal signs separate the different ballots. Omitted > numbers indicate equal-rank: > > ============================================================= > > Michael Ossipoff: > > 1    Approval > 2    STAR > 3    Approval with manual runoff > 4    Benham >     Schwartz Woodall >     Woodall > 7    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 8    Minmax (wv) > 9    Smith//Approval (implicit) > -------------------------- > 10    Schulze > 11    Baldwin >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Double Defeat, Hare >     Margins-Sorted Approval >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Raynaud >     RCIPE >     Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//DAC >     Smith//Score > 23    Majority Judgement > 24    IRV > 25    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Michael Garman > > 1    IRV > 2    STAR > 3    Approval with manual runoff > -------------------------- > 4    Approval > 5    Baldwin >     Benham >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Double Defeat, Hare >     Minmax (wv) >     Majority Judgement >     Margins-Sorted Approval >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Ranked Pairs (wv) >     Raynaud >     RCIPE >     Schulze >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Smith//DAC >     Smith//Score >     Woodall > 25    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Chris Benham > > 1    Margins-Sorted Approval > -------------------------- > 2    Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     IRV >     Benham >     Double Defeat, Hare > 7    Ranked Pairs (wv) >     Schulze > 9    Approval > 10    Minmax (wv) > 11    Baldwin >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Raynaud >     RCIPE >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//DAC >     Smith//Score >     Woodall > 22    Majority Judgement > 23    STAR >     Approval with manual runoff >     Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Joshua Boehme > > 1    Approval > 2    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 3    STAR > 4    Woodall > 5    Smith//DAC > -------------------------- > 6    Minmax (wv) > 7    RCIPE > 8    Benham > 9    Margins-Sorted Approval > 10    Smith//Approval (explicit) > 11    Approval with manual runoff > 12    Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes > 13    Smith//Approval (implicit) > 14    Double Defeat, Hare > 15    Raynaud > 16    Schulze > 17    Schwartz Woodall > 18    Smith//Score > 19    Majority Judgement > 20    Plurality > 21    IRV > 22    Condorcet//Borda (Black) > 23    Baldwin > 24    Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) > > ============================================================= > > fdpk69p6uq > > 1    STAR > 2    Smith//Score > 3    Baldwin >     Benham >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Raynaud >     Minmax (wv) >     Ranked Pairs (wv) >     Schulze >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Smith//DAC >     Woodall >     Margins-Sorted Approval >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath > 19    Approval with manual runoff > 20    Approval > -------------------------- > 21    RCIPE > 22    Double Defeat, Hare > 23    Majority Judgement > 24    IRV > 25    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Kristofer Munsterhjelm > > 1    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 2    Schulze >     Benham > 4    Woodall > 5    Minmax (wv) > -------------------------- > 6    Schwartz Woodall > 7    Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Smith//Approval (explicit) > 9    Smith//Score > 10    Raynaud > 11    Baldwin > 12    Majority Judgement > 13    Double Defeat, Hare >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Margins-Sorted Approval > 17    Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) > 18    Smith//DAC > 19    Approval with manual runoff > 20    STAR > 21    RCIPE > 22    Condorcet//Borda (Black) > 23    Approval > 24    IRV > 25    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Robert Bristow-Johnson > > 1    Condorcet//Plurality > 2    Minmax (wv) > 3    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 4    Schulze > 5    BTR-IRV > -------------------------- > 6    Baldwin >     Benham >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Margins-Sorted Approval >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Raynaud >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Smith//DAC >     Smith//Score >     Woodall > 20    IRV > 21    Approval > 22    STAR > 23    Plurality > 24    Score > > ============================================================= > > Richard Fobes > > 1    RCIPE > 2    Benham > 3    Minmax (wv) > 4    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 5    Woodall > -------------------------- > 6    Schwartz Woodall > 7    Baldwin > 8    Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) > 9    Condorcet//Borda (Black) > 10    Schulze > 11    Smith//Score > 12    Raynaud > 13    Max Strength Transitive Beatpath > 14    Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes > 15    Smith//DAC > 16    Double Defeat, Hare > 17    IRV > 18    Majority Judgement > 19    STAR > 20    Approval > 21    Margins-Sorted Approval > 22    Smith//Approval (explicit) > 23    Smith//Approval (implicit) > 24    Plurality > 25    Approval with manual runoff > > ============================================================= > > Toby Pereira > > 1    Approval > 2    Smith//Score > 3    Margins-Sorted Approval > 4    Smith//Approval (explicit) > 5    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 6    Benham > 7    Minmax (wv) > 8    STAR > -------------------------- > 9    Approval with manual runoff >     Baldwin >     Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Double Defeat, Hare >     IRV >     Majority Judgement >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Raynaud >     RCIPE >     Schulze >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Smith//DAC >     Woodall > 25    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Closed Limelike Curves > > 1    STAR > 2    Smith//Score > 3    Score > 4    Majority Judgement > 5    Approval >     Smith//Approval (explicit) >     Smith//Approval (implicit) >     Margins-Sorted Approval >     Double Defeat, Hare > 10    Approval with manual runoff > -------------------------- > 11    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 12    Schulze > 13    Baldwin >     Benham >     Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) >     Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes >     Max Strength Transitive Beatpath >     Raynaud >     Schwartz Woodall >     Smith//DAC >     Woodall > 22    Condorcet//Borda (Black) >     Minmax (wv) > 24    RCIPE > 25    IRV > 26    Plurality > > ============================================================= > > Filip Ejlak > > 1    Benham > 2    Schwartz Woodall > 3    Woodall > 4    Ranked Pairs (wv) > 5    Schulze > 6    Max Strength Transitive Beatpath > 7    Minmax (wv) > 8    Raynaud > 9    Baldwin > 10    RCIPE > 11    IRV > -------------------------- > 12    Smith//DAC > 13    Margins-Sorted Minimum Losing Votes > 14    Margins-Sorted Approval > 15    Smith//Approval (explicit) > 16    Smith//Approval (implicit) > 17    Smith//Score > 18    Double Defeat, Hare > 19    Copeland//Borda (Ranked Robin) > 20    Condorcet//Borda (Black) > 21    Approval > 22    Majority Judgement > 23    Score > 24    Approval with manual runoff > 25    STAR > 26    Plurality > 27    Borda > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info

On 2024-05-16 18:58, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > Great work Kristofer, however ... > > Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. > > One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method.  I don't know which > method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. > > Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in > methods.  How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? The missing methods were left unranked. They're thus considered to be ranked equal below every explicitly ranked candidate. In addition, write-ins are considered unranked on the ballots that don't rank them. Joshua Boehme didn't rank Max Strength Transitive Beatpath; and Robert Bristow-Johnson left Approval with runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare unranked. -km

This is why I mentioned earlier that I'm not sure what the point of the poll is. There's just too many methods included for us to rank all of them without forgetting half of them. On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:06 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm < km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote: > On 2024-05-16 18:58, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > > Great work Kristofer, however ... > > > > Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. > > > > One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method. I don't know which > > method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. > > > > Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in > > methods. How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? > > The missing methods were left unranked. They're thus considered to be > ranked equal below every explicitly ranked candidate. In addition, > write-ins are considered unranked on the ballots that don't rank them. > > Joshua Boehme didn't rank Max Strength Transitive Beatpath; and Robert > Bristow-Johnson left Approval with runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat > Hare unranked. > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

I did wonder if it might have been better to have a more general poll with just Condorcet as one thing, as I expect it would win anyway. Then we could have had another poll on Condorcet methods. Having said that, without having really looked at other people's ballots, my view has always been that Ranked Pairs was going to walk this. I suppose we'll find out shortly. Toby On Thursday, 16 May 2024 at 19:49:38 BST, Closed Limelike Curves <closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com> wrote: This is why I mentioned earlier that I'm not sure what the point of the poll is. There's just too many methods included for us to rank all of them without forgetting half of them. On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:06 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote: On 2024-05-16 18:58, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > Great work Kristofer, however ... > > Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. > > One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method.  I don't know which > method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. > > Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in > methods.  How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? The missing methods were left unranked. They're thus considered to be ranked equal below every explicitly ranked candidate. In addition, write-ins are considered unranked on the ballots that don't rank them. Joshua Boehme didn't rank Max Strength Transitive Beatpath; and Robert Bristow-Johnson left Approval with runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare unranked. -km ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list info

Oh, I made a mistake and thought Score and Borda were on the announced list. I mean, they can stay on my ballot... but then, is it still possible to add BTR-IRV (someone's write-in) to my ballot at the 8th place? If BTR-IRV is going to be included in the results, I'd like to support it more than the methods I didn't approve. czw., 16 maj 2024, 19:06 użytkownik Kristofer Munsterhjelm < km_elmet@t-online.de> napisał: > On 2024-05-16 18:58, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > > Great work Kristofer, however ... > > > > Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. > > > > One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method. I don't know which > > method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. > > > > Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in > > methods. How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? > > The missing methods were left unranked. They're thus considered to be > ranked equal below every explicitly ranked candidate. In addition, > write-ins are considered unranked on the ballots that don't rank them. > > Joshua Boehme didn't rank Max Strength Transitive Beatpath; and Robert > Bristow-Johnson left Approval with runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat > Hare unranked. > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

On 2024-05-16 22:13, Filip Ejlak wrote: > Oh, I made a mistake and thought Score and Borda were on the announced > list. I mean, they can stay on my ballot... but then, is it still > possible to add BTR-IRV (someone's write-in) to my ballot at the 8th > place? If BTR-IRV is going to be included in the results, I'd like to > support it more than the methods I didn't approve. The deadline has passed, so strictly speaking, I shouldn't, but since it won't make much of a difference, sure. Note that since BTR-IRV is a write-in and most of the others didn't get an opportunity to add it, it's most likely going to rank very low anyway. I'm planning on posting the results and a standard format ("1: A>B>C") ballot list on the 18th, if nothing gets in the way :-) -km

Thanks for recording & posting-together all of the ballots! On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:06 Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote: > On 2024-05-16 18:58, Richard, the VoteFair guy wrote: > > Great work Kristofer, however ... > > > > Not all the ballots have the same number of methods. > > > > One of them with 24 methods omits the RCIPE method. I don't know which > > method is missing from the other ballot with 24 methods. > > > > Some ballots have more than 25 methods, which I presume are write-in > > methods. How are these write-in methods ranked on other ballots? > > The missing methods were left unranked. They're thus considered to be > ranked equal below every explicitly ranked candidate. In addition, > write-ins are considered unranked on the ballots that don't rank them. > > Joshua Boehme didn't rank Max Strength Transitive Beatpath; and Robert > Bristow-Johnson left Approval with runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat > Hare unranked. > > -km > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >