I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the Republican from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the BOTTOM in the output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. Every time. Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the other candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is Condorcet loser. …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil.

Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the Republican > from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the BOTTOM in the > output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. Every time. > > Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. > > But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential election”, > that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. > > e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the other > candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. > > (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) > > That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. > Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. > > But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is > Condorcet loser. > > …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. > > So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. > > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list > info >

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the > 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. > > I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re > making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. > I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your information from some Trump-blog that you follow. > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the Republican >> from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the BOTTOM in the >> output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. Every time. >> >> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. >> >> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential >> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. >> >> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the other >> candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. >> >> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) >> >> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. >> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. >> >> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is >> Condorcet loser. >> >> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. >> >> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. >> >> >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >

Those noted “Trump-blogs”…FiveThirtyEight and the Economist :D https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/ https://economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/trump-biden-polls On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:01 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the >> 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. >> >> I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re >> making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. >> > > I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your > information from some Trump-blog that you follow. > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the Republican >>> from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the BOTTOM in the >>> output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. Every time. >>> >>> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. >>> >>> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential >>> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. >>> >>> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the other >>> candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. >>> >>> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) >>> >>> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. >>> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. >>> >>> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is >>> Condorcet loser. >>> >>> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. >>> >>> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>

…& you’re looking at Trump vs Biden poll results, not total absolute Trump approval. But Biden’s unpopular too. Your polls don’t ask people to compare Trump to Stein. They know better than to ask that. On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 16:01 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the >> 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. >> >> I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re >> making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. >> > > I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your > information from some Trump-blog that you follow. > >> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the Republican >>> from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the BOTTOM in the >>> output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. Every time. >>> >>> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. >>> >>> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential >>> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. >>> >>> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the other >>> candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. >>> >>> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) >>> >>> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. >>> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. >>> >>> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is >>> Condorcet loser. >>> >>> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. >>> >>> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>

Nope! As we established in my email April 11, a majority of the polls in the 538 tracker ask about third party candidates. Oops!! And approval polls show Trump around 42%, not your “nearly 30%.” Double oops!! https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/ On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:07 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > …& you’re looking at Trump vs Biden poll results, not total absolute Trump > approval. > > But Biden’s unpopular too. Your polls don’t ask people to compare Trump to > Stein. They know better than to ask that. > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 16:01 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the >>> 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. >>> >>> I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re >>> making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. >>> >> >> I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your >> information from some Trump-blog that you follow. >> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff < >>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the >>>> Republican from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the >>>> BOTTOM in the output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. >>>> Every time. >>>> >>>> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. >>>> >>>> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential >>>> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. >>>> >>>> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the >>>> other candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. >>>> >>>> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) >>>> >>>> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. >>>> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. >>>> >>>> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is >>>> Condorcet loser. >>>> >>>> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. >>>> >>>> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>>

Nope! As we established in my email April 11, a majority of the polls in the 538 tracker ask about third party candidates. Oops!! And approval polls show Trump around 42%, not your “nearly 30%.” Double oops!! https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/ On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:11 AM Michael Garman < michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Nope! As we established in my email April 11, a majority of the polls in > the 538 tracker ask about third party candidates. Oops!! > > And approval polls show Trump around 42%, not your “nearly 30%.” Double > oops!! > > https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/ > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:07 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> …& you’re looking at Trump vs Biden poll results, not total absolute >> Trump approval. >> >> But Biden’s unpopular too. Your polls don’t ask people to compare Trump >> to Stein. They know better than to ask that. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 16:01 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to >>>> the 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls. >>>> >>>> I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know >>>> you’re making disingenuous arguments to support your claim. >>>> >>> >>> I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your >>> information from some Trump-blog that you follow. >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff < >>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the >>>>> Republican from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the >>>>> BOTTOM in the output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser. >>>>> Every time. >>>>> >>>>> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that. >>>>> >>>>> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential >>>>> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support. >>>>> >>>>> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the >>>>> other candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%. >>>>> >>>>> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.) >>>>> >>>>> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population. >>>>> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample. >>>>> >>>>> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is >>>>> Condorcet loser. >>>>> >>>>> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate. >>>>> >>>>> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>>