Re: [EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC
We need not resubmit our vote, right?I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many have voted?I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested anyway.But we need dozens voting to have anything of any significance.Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Kristofer MunsterhjelmDate: Sun, May 12, 2024 06:47To: Michael Ossipoff;Cc: election-methods@lists.electorama.com;Subject:[EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTCOn 2024-05-11 22:18, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If 5 days gives more people time to choose a ranking, the deadline
having caught them unprepared, then that sounds better. I vote for 5.
Also, more time for people to say what they meant to about method-merit.
Since there's been no objection to extending the deadline, let's set the
new deadline to 5 days from the last one.
That is, the new deadline is 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC.
-km
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The fact that the ballot is in terms of "to chooose a ranking" ( all the
entries I've seen are ) means that the list members have already chosen
a ranked vote, rather than FPTP or the family of Cardinal voting.
On 12/05/2024 17:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be
interested anyway.
But we need dozens voting to have anything of any significance.
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*From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
*Date: *Sun, May 12, 2024 06 :47
*To: *Michael Ossipoff;
*Cc: *election-methods@lists.electorama.com;
Subject:[EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05 <tel:2024-05-16
05>:15:00 UTC
On2024-05-11 22 <tel:2024-05-11 22>:18, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If 5 days gives more people time to choose a ranking, the deadline
having caught them unprepared, then that sounds better. I vote for 5.
Also, more time for people to say what they meant to about method-merit.
Since there's been no objection to extending the deadline, let's set the
new deadline to 5 days from the last one.
That is, the new deadline is2024-05-16 05 <tel:2024-05-16 05>:15:00 UTC.
-km
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It depends on what you mean by “significance”.
I don’t think statistical significance to infer about the larger population
is our goal.
The result undeniably signifies what pairbeats everything else among the
list-participants.
… or, if no CW, then which alternative best qualifies by popular criteria.
…what would be chosen by this electorate if we were making a choice.
3 times I was in a group of about 4 people who had to choose among several
things (an initiative-proposal, an LWV endorsement, & a movie for a
family-group to go to).
All 3 times I conducted an election by MinMax(wv).
No one asked if the result was significant. It was to make a
collective-choice that had to be made.
A survey would find out how many people best-like what. A poll by a
multi-alternative method better aggregates a group’s collective
preference…to show what would be chosen according to one or more reasonable
rules.
There’s no particular reason to not resubmit your ballot if you want to.
But you needn’t unless you want to. Your most recent ballot has already
been recorded, & I have no doubt whatsoever that it will be counted after
the new deadline.
If you want to modify it before the deadline, then of course you can post
your new ballot.
But of course certainly everyone’s most recent ballot will be counted,
regardless of when it was posted.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 09:24 robert bristow-johnson <
rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
But we need dozens voting to have anything of any significance.
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*From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
*Date: *Sun, May 12, 2024 06 :47
*To: *Michael Ossipoff;
*Cc: *election-methods@lists.electorama.com;
Subject:[EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC
On 2024-05-11 22:18, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If 5 days gives more people time to choose a ranking, the deadline
having caught them unprepared, then that sounds better. I vote for 5.
Also, more time for people to say what they meant to about method-merit.
Since there's been no objection to extending the deadline, let's set the
new deadline to 5 days from the last one.
That is, the new deadline is 2024-05-16 05
:15:00 UTC.
-km
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info
Additionally, polls are of interest to demonstrate how the voting-systems
work, & what it’s like to use them…in a way that can’t be found-out any
other way. … at a forum where voting-systems are the topic of interest.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:48 Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
It depends on what you mean by “significance”.
I don’t think statistical significance to infer about the larger
population is our goal.
The result undeniably signifies what pairbeats everything else among the
list-participants.
… or, if no CW, then which alternative best qualifies by popular criteria.
…what would be chosen by this electorate if we were making a choice.
3 times I was in a group of about 4 people who had to choose among several
things (an initiative-proposal, an LWV endorsement, & a movie for a
family-group to go to).
All 3 times I conducted an election by MinMax(wv).
No one asked if the result was significant. It was to make a
collective-choice that had to be made.
A survey would find out how many people best-like what. A poll by a
multi-alternative method better aggregates a group’s collective
preference…to show what would be chosen according to one or more
reasonable rules.
There’s no particular reason to not resubmit your ballot if you want to.
But you needn’t unless you want to. Your most recent ballot has already
been recorded, & I have no doubt whatsoever that it will be counted after
the new deadline.
If you want to modify it before the deadline, then of course you can post
your new ballot.
But of course certainly everyone’s most recent ballot will be counted,
regardless of when it was posted.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 09:24 robert bristow-johnson <
rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
But we need dozens voting to have anything of any significance.
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------ Original message------
*From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
*Date: *Sun, May 12, 2024 06 :47
*To: *Michael Ossipoff;
*Cc: *election-methods@lists.electorama.com;
Subject:[EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC
On 2024-05-11 22:18, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
If 5 days gives more people time to choose a ranking, the deadline
having caught them unprepared, then that sounds better. I vote for 5.
Also, more time for people to say what they meant to about method-merit.
Since there's been no objection to extending the deadline, let's set the
new deadline to 5 days from the last one.
That is, the new deadline is 2024-05-16 05
:15:00 UTC.
-km
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info
On 2024-05-12 18:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
The last ballot you submitted is what counts, so you don't need to
resubmit unless you want to make a change to it.
Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your
ballot. Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else? The methods are
Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare.
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
By my count, in reverse order of submission, there's:
Richard Fobes ("Poll, final ballot from Richard Fobes, the VoteFair guy")
You ("POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC")
Me ("Poll ballot")
fdpk69p6uq ("POLL: References (was: Re: Poll, preliminary ballots)")
Joshua Boehme ("My Preliminary Ballot for the Voting Systems Poll")
Chris Benham ("Poll ballot revision, Wednesday 24 April")
Mike Ossipoff ("Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th")
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
All the more reason for lurkers out there - or frequent posters for that
matter - to vote :-)
-km
That list of ballots looks complete, except that it leaves-out Pereira’s
ballot.
So there are 7 ballots.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 14:43 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-05-12 18:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
The last ballot you submitted is what counts, so you don't need to
resubmit unless you want to make a change to it.
Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your
ballot. Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else? The methods are
Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare.
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
By my count, in reverse order of submission, there's:
Richard Fobes ("Poll, final ballot from Richard Fobes, the VoteFair guy")
You ("POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC")
Me ("Poll ballot")
fdpk69p6uq ("POLL: References (was: Re: Poll, preliminary ballots)")
Joshua Boehme ("My Preliminary Ballot for the Voting Systems Poll")
Chris Benham ("Poll ballot revision, Wednesday 24 April")
Mike Ossipoff ("Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th")
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
All the more reason for lurkers out there - or frequent posters for that
matter - to vote :-)
-km
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You’ve missed my ballot.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:42 PM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <
km_elmet@t-online.de> wrote:
On 2024-05-12 18:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
The last ballot you submitted is what counts, so you don't need to
resubmit unless you want to make a change to it.
Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your
ballot. Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else? The methods are
Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare.
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
By my count, in reverse order of submission, there's:
Richard Fobes ("Poll, final ballot from Richard Fobes, the VoteFair guy")
You ("POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC")
Me ("Poll ballot")
fdpk69p6uq ("POLL: References (was: Re: Poll, preliminary ballots)")
Joshua Boehme ("My Preliminary Ballot for the Voting Systems Poll")
Chris Benham ("Poll ballot revision, Wednesday 24 April")
Mike Ossipoff ("Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th")
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
All the more reason for lurkers out there - or frequent posters for that
matter - to vote :-)
-km
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info
8 ballots, including Garman’s. I no longer have it. Maybe someone else has
it, or Garman could re-post it.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 15:31 Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:
That list of ballots looks complete, except that it leaves-out Pereira’s
ballot.
So there are 7 ballots.
On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 14:43 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-05-12 18:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
We need not resubmit our vote, right?
The last ballot you submitted is what counts, so you don't need to
resubmit unless you want to make a change to it.
Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your
ballot. Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else? The methods are
Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare.
I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots. How many
have voted?
By my count, in reverse order of submission, there's:
Richard Fobes ("Poll, final ballot from Richard Fobes, the VoteFair guy")
You ("POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC")
Me ("Poll ballot")
fdpk69p6uq ("POLL: References (was: Re: Poll, preliminary ballots)")
Joshua Boehme ("My Preliminary Ballot for the Voting Systems Poll")
Chris Benham ("Poll ballot revision, Wednesday 24 April")
Mike Ossipoff ("Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th")
I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
anyway.
All the more reason for lurkers out there - or frequent posters for that
matter - to vote :-)
-km
Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
info
On 2024-05-13 00:53, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
8 ballots, including Garman’s. I no longer have it. Maybe someone else
has it, or Garman could re-post it.
http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2024-April/005912.html
Strange, EM doesn't seem to have posted it to me. It could be some kind
of spam filter problem... perhaps I do need to get a new email address.
-km
I don't think it's you, I've been having the same problem.
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 2:46 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.de
wrote:
On 2024-05-13 00:53, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
8 ballots, including Garman’s. I no longer have it. Maybe someone else
has it, or Garman could re-post it.
http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2024-April/005912.html
Strange, EM doesn't seem to have posted it to me. It could be some kind
of spam filter problem... perhaps I do need to get a new email address.
-km
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