Re: [EM] Fw: (2) Majority Judgment v. RCIPE (Richard Lung)
Hi Richard and EM,
I also believe in "representatives". Please explain why you think members of parliament would be delegates rather than representatives if elected by EPR.
Steve
From: Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.com
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To: steve bosworth stevebosworth@hotmail.com; km_elmet@t-online.de km_elmet@t-online.de
Subject: Re: Fw: [EM] (2) Majority Judgment v. RCIPE (Richard Lung)
Steve,
I believe in representatives not delegates. The latter break the rule of one person one vote.
Regards,
Richard.
On 16/08/2021 21:58, steve bosworth wrote:
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Subject: Fw: [EM] (2) Majority Judgment v. RCIPE (Richard Lung)
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Subject: Re: [EM] (2) Majority Judgment v. RCIPE (Richard Lung)
From Steve to Richard and Kristofer:
I understand Kristofer to be correct when saying MJ's six grades ar ordinal. However, they are also more than ordinal. As Balinski correctly explains, they also enable citizens more meaningfully to express their judgments about the suitability of the different candidates for office. They communicate more evaluative information both about the voters and the candidates than mere numbers.
Richard, I would prefer to say that while math is based on logic, logic is not equal to math. This is because logic also includs many more thinking activities than math, e.g. inferring some practical consequences of following a moral principle.
Also, you might like to consider how Balinski’s six grades can also be used by voters to elect at-large the whole legislative body. My co-authors and I published the details of such a method in January 2020. It is called evaluative proportional representation (EPR) and it guarantees that each citizen’s vote proportionally increases the voting power in the legislative body of the elected candidate for whom the citizen’s vote is counted, i.e. the citizen’s “highest possible grade” increases the weighted vote in the assembly of that winner, more exactly, either the highest grade given by the voter, their remaining highest grade, or their proxy vote. In this sense, no citizen’s vote is needlessly “diluted”, ignored, or wasted as is sometimes the case with every existing or alternative voting method for electing multi-winners as far as I can see.
What do you think?
Steve
From: Richard Lung voting@ukscientists.commailto:voting@ukscientists.com
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [EM] Majority Judgment v. RCIPE version 2 (Richard Lung)
KM,
Yes, but it's like saying that math is founded on logic, so isn't logic mathematical?
The scales of measurement are a progression.
RL.
On 15 Aug 2021, at 8:39 pm, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_elmet@t-online.demailto:km_elmet@t-online.de wrote:
On 15.08.2021 20:59, Richard Lung wrote:
Thank you, Steve,
What I think is what others have already said, namely that a scale of
category grades is a step back from an ordinal scale. On the four scales
of measurement given by S S Stevens (in Science, in the 1940s) the
classificatory or categorical scale is the least powerful or accurate.
The ordinal scale is a step up in precision. (The interval and ratio
scales come next.) The power of the ratio scale can replace majority
counts with proportional counts (if done reasonably well as in
Cambridge, Mass.)
Regards,
Richard Lung.
The grades in MJ are equipped with an order (e.g. "Excellent" is better
than "Good"), so aren't MJ grades also ordinal?
-km