Also, regarding the Otis interview, here's the transcript <https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/03/19/could-ranked-choice-voting-take-the-poison-out-of-politics>. This is her description of the tabulation process. No lies detected. [image: image.png] On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 7:02 PM Michael Garman < michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > I accessed the page on desktop instead of mobile and found the text you > quoted. That's incorrect, I agree. FairVote should change the language they > use. > > However, I will tell you -- as someone who has talked to thousands of > people previously opposed to the concept of any electoral reform and > convinced them of the advantages of IRV over the current system -- that I > have never once used the misleading verbiage on the FairVote site, nor have > any of the many other IRV activists with whom I regularly interact. > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:55 PM Michael Garman < > michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > >> Where are you seeing the material you quoted? I agree that what you’re >> quoting is inaccurate. However, here’s what I see when I click your link. >> >> >> Ballots that *do not help voters’ top choices* win count for their next >> choice. >> >> there’s a difference between “if your first choice doesn’t win, your >> ballot counts for your next choice” (wrong) and “if your ballot isn’t being >> used to support your first choice, it’s being used to support your next >> choice still in the running” (accurate) >> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:48 PM robert bristow-johnson < >> rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> > On 03/20/2024 1:04 PM EDT Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > No, they were promised that if their first-choice candidate was out of >>> the running, their vote would count for their second choice. Important >>> distinction! >>> > >>> >>> Michael, you cannot be both honest and informed. What you just said is >>> false. >>> >>> From https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/ >>> >>> "With RCV, voters can sincerely rank candidates in order of preference. >>> Voters know that if their first choice doesn’t win, their vote >>> automatically counts for their next choice instead. This frees voters from >>> worrying about how others will vote and which candidates are more or less >>> likely to win. >>> >>> Candidates can compete without fear of “splitting the vote” with >>> like-minded individuals." >>> >>> Just tell the truth. I'm not Michael Ossipoff, but I am also just tired >>> of this shit. Yesterday they had Deb Otis on the WBUR radio show On >>> Point. Lie, lie, lie, lie... >>> >>> If you can't be honest with us about the promise they make about RCV and >>> the actual performance, nobody should have a conversation with you. It's >>> like talking to a Trumper. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj@audioimagination.com >>> >>> "Imagination is more important than knowledge." >>> >>> . >>> . >>> . >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>