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Re: [EM] MaxMinPA

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Michael Ossipoff
Mon, Oct 24, 2016 10:37 PM

Even under IUACUA  conditions, Approval would be fine for choosing the
party or candidate. It's only for making particular action-decisions or
maybe policy choices, that D2, D3, Dexp or Dhyp would be importantly better.

Michael Ossipoff

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Forest Simmons fsimmons@pcc.edu wrote:

It seems that if we normalize the disutilities, then we lose the
advantages of D2, D3, and Rawls over D1, since a voter can cube her own
utilities to get her ratings for example.  If we don't normalize them then
the dishonest voter who can make up the biggest disutility wins.  Of
course, under IUACUA conditions this manipulation would not happen.

On Chiastic Approval, it shares with Bucklin that ratings strictly above
and strictly below the level x, can be moved around without affecting the
result, i.e. it is not sensitive to ratings away from the "approval cutoff"
found by the method.

An example where Chiastic Approval gives a different result from MJ or
ordinary Bucklin is the one we considered earlier in a different context:

40: A1, B1, D.9, C0
35: B1, C1, D.9, A0
25: A1, C1, D.9, B0

Chiastic Approval sets x at .9 or 90 percent, since  more than 90 percent
of the ballots rate D at ninety percent.

Candidate D has 100 percent approval with this approval cutoff, and
candidate B comes in second with 75 percent approval with this cutoff.

Bucklin chooses 100 percent as the approval cutoff, since that is the
highest median score.  Candidate B has the highest approval (75 percent)
while candidate D has zero approval relative to this cutoff.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Michael Ossipoff email9648742@gmail.com
wrote:

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I neglected to add this:

Rawls said that it's best to minimize the greatest disutility,  the
disutililty for the person who has the greatest disutility.  I agree.

Lets say that, as a method, that's called "Rawls method", or "Rawls".

In Forest's example, Rawls chooses candidate D.

If we had honest, legitimate elections, and an IUACUA electorate, then
Rawls would be my 1st choice for the voting-system. But if Rawls isn't
feasible, then I'd suggest one of the other IUACUA methods that I described.

Michael Ossipoff

Even under IUACUA conditions, Approval would be fine for choosing the party or candidate. It's only for making particular action-decisions or maybe policy choices, that D2, D3, Dexp or Dhyp would be importantly better. Michael Ossipoff On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Forest Simmons <fsimmons@pcc.edu> wrote: > It seems that if we normalize the disutilities, then we lose the > advantages of D2, D3, and Rawls over D1, since a voter can cube her own > utilities to get her ratings for example. If we don't normalize them then > the dishonest voter who can make up the biggest disutility wins. Of > course, under IUACUA conditions this manipulation would not happen. > > On Chiastic Approval, it shares with Bucklin that ratings strictly above > and strictly below the level x, can be moved around without affecting the > result, i.e. it is not sensitive to ratings away from the "approval cutoff" > found by the method. > > An example where Chiastic Approval gives a different result from MJ or > ordinary Bucklin is the one we considered earlier in a different context: > > 40: A1, B1, D.9, C0 > 35: B1, C1, D.9, A0 > 25: A1, C1, D.9, B0 > > Chiastic Approval sets x at .9 or 90 percent, since more than 90 percent > of the ballots rate D at ninety percent. > > Candidate D has 100 percent approval with this approval cutoff, and > candidate B comes in second with 75 percent approval with this cutoff. > > Bucklin chooses 100 percent as the approval cutoff, since that is the > highest median score. Candidate B has the highest approval (75 percent) > while candidate D has zero approval relative to this cutoff. > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> . >> I neglected to add this: >> >> Rawls said that it's best to minimize the greatest disutility, the >> disutililty for the person who has the greatest disutility. I agree. >> >> Lets say that, as a method, that's called "Rawls method", or "Rawls". >> >> In Forest's example, Rawls chooses candidate D. >> >> If we had honest, legitimate elections, and an IUACUA electorate, then >> Rawls would be my 1st choice for the voting-system. But if Rawls isn't >> feasible, then I'd suggest one of the other IUACUA methods that I described. >> >> Michael Ossipoff >> > >