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Re: [EM] MAM vs Schulze

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Markus Schulze
Thu, Oct 6, 2016 4:44 AM

Hallo,

I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore
the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise
comparison between MAM & Schulze.

When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner,
while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then
this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of
the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat
of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant
when we compare MAM and Schulze.

Markus Schulze

Hallo, > I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore > the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise > comparison between MAM & Schulze. When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner, while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant when we compare MAM and Schulze. Markus Schulze
MO
Michael Ossipoff
Sat, Oct 8, 2016 10:05 PM

(Replying farther down)

On Oct 5, 2016 9:44 PM, "Markus Schulze" markus.schulze@alumni.tu-berlin.de
wrote:

Hallo,

I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore
the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise
comparison between MAM & Schulze.

When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner,
while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then
this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of
the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat
of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant
when we compare MAM and Schulze.

As I said, you're referring to a defeat that's contradicted & overruled by
being weakest in a cycle with defeats that aren't overruled in that way.

Anyway, ask people whether they prefer the Schulze winner to the MAM
winner. Usually (4 to 1 or 5 to 1?) they'll say that they prefer the MAM
winner.

That's rather compelling.

Michael Ossipoff

Markus Schulze


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(Replying farther down) On Oct 5, 2016 9:44 PM, "Markus Schulze" <markus.schulze@alumni.tu-berlin.de> wrote: > > Hallo, > > > > I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore > > the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise > > comparison between MAM & Schulze. > > When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner, > while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then > this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of > the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat > of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant > when we compare MAM and Schulze. As I said, you're referring to a defeat that's contradicted & overruled by being weakest in a cycle with defeats that aren't overruled in that way. Anyway, ask people whether they prefer the Schulze winner to the MAM winner. Usually (4 to 1 or 5 to 1?) they'll say that they prefer the MAM winner. That's rather compelling. Michael Ossipoff > > > Markus Schulze > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
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Michael Ossipoff
Sun, Oct 9, 2016 12:05 AM

Speaking of problem-disclosure:

Any proposal of MAM or Schulze should always include the following
disclosure:

If, with you and some similar voters ranking Compromise alone at top (over
Favorite), thereby Compromise wins, then:

If you'd instead moved Favorite up to top, along with Compromise, that
could change the winner from Compromise to Worst.

Do you think that you could enact MAM or Schulze, with that disclosure?

Would it be ethical to conceal that information when proposing those
methods?

Michael Ossipoff
On Oct 5, 2016 9:44 PM, "Markus Schulze" markus.schulze@alumni.tu-berlin.de
wrote:

Hallo,

I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore
the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise
comparison between MAM & Schulze.

When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner,
while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then
this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of
the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat
of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant
when we compare MAM and Schulze.

Markus Schulze


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Speaking of problem-disclosure: Any proposal of MAM or Schulze should always include the following disclosure: If, with you and some similar voters ranking Compromise alone at top (over Favorite), thereby Compromise wins, then: If you'd instead moved Favorite up to top, along with Compromise, that could change the winner from Compromise to Worst. Do you think that you could enact MAM or Schulze, with that disclosure? Would it be ethical to conceal that information when proposing those methods? Michael Ossipoff On Oct 5, 2016 9:44 PM, "Markus Schulze" <markus.schulze@alumni.tu-berlin.de> wrote: > Hallo, > > > I remind you that our topic is MAM vs Schulze. Therefore > > the pairwise comparison most relevant here is the pairwise > > comparison between MAM & Schulze. > > When the Schulze winner is identical to the MinMax winner, > while the MAM winner differs from the MinMax winner, then > this necessarily means that the worst pairwise defeat of > the Schulze winner is weaker than the worst pairwise defeat > of the MAM winner. That's why those findings are relevant > when we compare MAM and Schulze. > > Markus Schulze > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info >