Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your other choices have lost. Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice !!! …by your strained dishonest argument. Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon resumed doing so. How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote > promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you > cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your > claims of deception and failed to do so. > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st instead >> of ranking Good 1st. >> >> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd choice >> when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no longer >> there. >> >> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word for >> intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >> >> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a word >> for that too. It’s called fraud. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> >> wrote: >> >>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your >>> scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>> Worst. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Greg— >>>> >>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best gets >>>> eliminated. >>>> >>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>> >>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>> Worst. >>>> >>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I >>>> meant “Good-supporters”. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I said: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless >>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>> >>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. >>>>>> Which is >>>>>> >>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you >>>>>> cite. >>>>>> >>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either hir >>>>>> ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to Worst. >>>>>> According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2nd choice. >>>>>> The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & so FairVote’s >>>>>> promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected !! >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice (because >>>>>> he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>> >>>>>> … >>>>>> >>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, further >>>>>> confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the promotion of RCV. >>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>> list info >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>> >>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>> >>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>> >> ---- >> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >> info >> >

“Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I recommend it :) Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than “next choice.” On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote > promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. > Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your > 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. > > Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice WINS, > because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your other > choices have lost. > > Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice !!! > > …by your strained dishonest argument. > > Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. > > The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New > Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. > Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon > resumed doing so. > > How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was > there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. > > Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her for > the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. > > We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> > wrote: > >> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote >> promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >> claims of deception and failed to do so. >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>> >>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd choice >>> when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no longer >>> there. >>> >>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word for >>> intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>> >>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a word >>> for that too. It’s called fraud. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your >>>> scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>> Worst. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Greg— >>>>> >>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best >>>>> gets eliminated. >>>>> >>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>> >>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>> Worst. >>>>> >>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I >>>>> meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless >>>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. >>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you >>>>>>> cite. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either >>>>>>> hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to Worst. >>>>>>> According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2nd >>>>>>> choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & so >>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice (because >>>>>>> he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> … >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, further >>>>>>> confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the promotion of RCV. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>> list info >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>> >>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>> >>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>> >>> ---- >>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>> info >>> >>

Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. That wasn’t FairVote’s promise. EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been “doing the work”. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try > talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I > recommend it :) > > Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than “next > choice.” > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote >> promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. >> Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your >> 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >> >> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice WINS, >> because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your other >> choices have lost. >> >> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice !!! >> >> …by your strained dishonest argument. >> >> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >> >> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >> resumed doing so. >> >> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >> >> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her for >> the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >> >> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote >>> promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>> >>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>> longer there. >>>> >>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word >>>> for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>> >>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a >>>> word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your >>>>> scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>> Worst. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Greg— >>>>>> >>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best >>>>>> gets eliminated. >>>>>> >>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>>> Worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I >>>>>> meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless >>>>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. >>>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you >>>>>>>> cite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either >>>>>>>> hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to Worst. >>>>>>>> According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2nd >>>>>>>> choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & so >>>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice (because >>>>>>>> he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, further >>>>>>>> confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>>> list info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>> >>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>> >>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list >>>> info >>>> >>>

Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s pretty self-evident. I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? Honest question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from them. If I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to FairVote and allies. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no > longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. > > Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. That > wasn’t FairVote’s promise. > > EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the > wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, > & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. > > I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been “doing > the work”. > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> > wrote: > >> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try >> talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >> recommend it :) >> >> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >> “next choice.” >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote >>> promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. >>> Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your >>> 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>> >>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice WINS, >>> because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your other >>> choices have lost. >>> >>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice !!! >>> >>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>> >>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>> >>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >>> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>> resumed doing so. >>> >>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >>> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>> >>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her for >>> the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>> >>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote >>>> promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>> >>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>> longer there. >>>>> >>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word >>>>> for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>> >>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a >>>>> word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your >>>>>> scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>> Worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best >>>>>>> gets eliminated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I >>>>>>> meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless >>>>>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. >>>>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you >>>>>>>>> cite. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either >>>>>>>>> hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to >>>>>>>>> Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & >>>>>>>>> so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected >>>>>>>>> !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice >>>>>>>>> (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>>>> list info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>> >>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>> >>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>> list info >>>>> >>>>

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s pretty > self-evident. > No, what’s evident is that FairVote promises that, if your favorite is the Green, & you rank sincerely, Green>Democrat>Republican, your ballot will count for the Democrat if the Green can’t win. No one but you interprets it to mean that your ballot will help your 3rd-choice, the Republican to win. No one but you interprets that promise to mean the Republican as your next choice. Your dishonest contortions are cultish. > > I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? Honest > question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from them. If > I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. > > It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of > legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to > FairVote and allies. > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no >> longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. >> >> Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. That >> wasn’t FairVote’s promise. >> >> EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the >> wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, >> & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. >> >> I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been “doing >> the work”. >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try >>> talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >>> recommend it :) >>> >>> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >>> “next choice.” >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote >>>> promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. >>>> Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your >>>> 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>>> >>>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice WINS, >>>> because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your other >>>> choices have lost. >>>> >>>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice !!! >>>> >>>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>>> >>>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>>> >>>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >>>> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>>> resumed doing so. >>>> >>>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >>>> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>>> >>>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her >>>> for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>>> >>>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote >>>>> promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>>> >>>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>>> longer there. >>>>>> >>>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word >>>>>> for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>>> >>>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a >>>>>> word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your >>>>>>> scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best >>>>>>>> gets eliminated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when >>>>>>>> I meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless >>>>>>>>>> your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. >>>>>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language >>>>>>>>>> you cite. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either >>>>>>>>>> hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to >>>>>>>>>> Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, >>>>>>>>>> & so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is >>>>>>>>>> elected !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice >>>>>>>>>> (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>>> >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>> list info >>>>>> >>>>>

In your example, there are three candidates, G-D-R. That means a maximum of two rounds of counting. If G is eliminated first, your ballot counts for D vs. R in round 2. If D is eliminated first, your ballot counts for G vs. R in round 2. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:39 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> > wrote: > >> > Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s pretty >> self-evident. >> > > No, what’s evident is that FairVote promises that, if your favorite is the > Green, & you rank sincerely, Green>Democrat>Republican, your ballot will > count for the Democrat if the Green can’t win. > > No one but you interprets it to mean that your ballot will help your > 3rd-choice, the Republican to win. > > No one but you interprets that promise to mean the Republican as your next > choice. > > Your dishonest contortions are cultish. > >> >> I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? Honest >> question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from them. If >> I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. >> >> It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of >> legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to >> FairVote and allies. >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no >>> longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. >>> >>> Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. That >>> wasn’t FairVote’s promise. >>> >>> EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the >>> wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, >>> & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. >>> >>> I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been “doing >>> the work”. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try >>>> talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >>>> recommend it :) >>>> >>>> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >>>> “next choice.” >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote >>>>> promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. >>>>> Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your >>>>> 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>>>> >>>>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice >>>>> WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your >>>>> other choices have lost. >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice >>>>> !!! >>>>> >>>>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>>>> >>>>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>>>> >>>>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >>>>> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>>>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>>>> resumed doing so. >>>>> >>>>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >>>>> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>>>> >>>>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her >>>>> for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>>>> >>>>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what FairVote >>>>>> promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>>>> longer there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word >>>>>>> for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a >>>>>>> word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in >>>>>>>> your scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best >>>>>>>>> gets eliminated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>>>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when >>>>>>>>> I meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , >>>>>>>>>>> unless your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the >>>>>>>>>>> running. Which is >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language >>>>>>>>>>> you cite. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & >>>>>>>>>>> either hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go >>>>>>>>>>> to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, >>>>>>>>>>> & so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, Worst is >>>>>>>>>>> elected !! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice >>>>>>>>>>> (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>> list info >>>>>>> >>>>>>

Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst.

…

You rank Best>Good>Worst.

…

Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated ...

... if Good gets eliminated, there are only two candidates (Best and
Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the most votes
wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- it
is never counted for "Worst."

 “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work.
 Try talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard
 sometime. I recommend it :)

 Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather
 than “next choice.”

 On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff
 <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote:

     Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what
     FairVote promises. They promise that your ballot will count
     toward your 2nd-choice. Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its
     2nd-choice ranking of your 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice.

     Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining
     choice WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one
     when all of your other choices have lost.

     Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining
     choice !!!

     …by your strained dishonest argument.

     Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement.

     The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met
     in New Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob
     Richie on the lie. Richie promised to stop telling the lie in
     his promotion of RCV.  …but soon resumed doing so.

     How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone
     who was there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition.

     Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I
     ask her for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do
     that too.

     We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-)

     On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman
     <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote:

         Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's
         what FairVote promises. Back when this conversation was
         active in December, you cheerfully promised to immediately
         deliver receipts substantiating your claims of deception
         and failed to do so.

         On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff
         <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote:

             Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you
             ranked Best 1st instead of ranking Good 1st.

             Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t
             help your 2nd choice when your favorite is unable to
             win, because your 2nd choice is no longer there.

             FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement.
             We have a word for intentional false statements. It’s
             called a lie.

             When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting
             buyer, we have a word for that too. It’s called fraud.


             On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis
             <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote:

                 But if we're being precise, Best could never be
                 "eliminated" in your scenario. There would be only
                 two candidates left, and so the tallying would
                 necessarily end in that round with two candidates.
                 Anyone who ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their
                 ballot counted towards Best in the final round,
                 after Good is eliminated. It would never be
                 counted towards Worst.

                 On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff
                 <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote:

                     Greg—

                     In my example, I said that first Good gets
                     eliminated, & then Best gets eliminated.

                     So all that remains is Worst.

                     I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that
                     the Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd
                     choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was
                     to  Worst.

                     …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said
                     “Best-supporters”, when I meant “Good-supporters”.

                     On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis
                     <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote:

                         Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated,
                         there are only two candidates (Best and
                         Worst) remaining, and whichever of those
                         two with the most votes wins. That sample
                         ballot counts for "Best" in the final
                         round -- it is never counted for "Worst."


                         On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael
                         Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote:

                             I said:

                             No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for
                             your 2^nd choice] , unless your 2nd
                             choice is still there. Oops !!! You &

                             Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe"

                             …

                             Michael Garman said:

                             …

                             Fine…it counts for your next highest
                             choice still in the running. Which is

                             also a reasonable interpretation of
                             the “next choice” language you cite.

                             Satisfied?

                             …

                             Does that person have any idea what
                             he’s saying?

                             …

                             Say the election is between Best,
                             Good, &Worst.

                             …

                             You rank Best>Good>Worst.

                             …

                             Good gets eliminated first, & then
                             Best gets eliminated, & either hir
                             ballots don’t have a 2^nd choice, or
                             hir transfers go to Worst. According
                             to our friend here, now Good is no
                             longer your 2^nd choice. The
                             elimination of Good makes Worst your
                             2^nd choice, & so FairVote’s promise
                             is kept:Your 2^nd choice, Worst is
                             elected !!

                             …

                             Oh, but wait, it gets even better:

                             …

                             Worst isn’t only your 2^nd choice
                             now:By our IRVist friend’s definition
                             of “choice”, now Worst becomes your
                             1^st choice (because he’s the only
                             remaining candidate).

                             …

                             Congratulations !! You’ve elected your
                             1^st choice, Worst !!!~

                             …

                             Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I
                             present to you exhibit B, further
                             confirmation of the universal
                             astounding dishonesty of the promotion
                             of RCV.

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Mr. Ossipoff, here's exactly what you wrote at the start: Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. … You rank Best>Good>Worst. … Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated ... Then Greg Dennis responded, ... if Good gets eliminated, there are only two candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- it is never counted for "Worst." Your response to THAT was irrelevant because he's correct.  With three candidates and no majority winner on the first choices count, the lowest total is eliminated -- Good, in your example. That leaves only two candidates, as Mr. Dennis stated.  One of them (assumed) has more votes than the other -- a majority. There's no second elimination.  The election is over.  Your vote for Best was counted. Everything you posted after Mr. Dennis is about your other topic.   - Ken Bearman, Minneapolis MN On 2/5/2024 1:21 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no > longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. > > Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. > That wasn’t FairVote’s promise. > > EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”.  …but without all the > wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer > organization, & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. > > I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been > “doing the work”. > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman > <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > > “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. > Try talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard > sometime. I recommend it :) > > Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather > than “next choice.” > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff > <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what > FairVote promises. They promise that your ballot will count > toward your 2nd-choice. Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its > 2nd-choice ranking of your 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. > > Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining > choice WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one > when all of your other choices have lost. > > Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining > choice !!! > > …by your strained dishonest argument. > > Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. > > The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met > in New Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob > Richie on the lie. Richie promised to stop telling the lie in > his promotion of RCV.  …but soon resumed doing so. > > How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone > who was there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. > > Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I > ask her for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do > that too. > > We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman > <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > > Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's > what FairVote promises. Back when this conversation was > active in December, you cheerfully promised to immediately > deliver receipts substantiating your claims of deception > and failed to do so. > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff > <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you > ranked Best 1st instead of ranking Good 1st. > > Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t > help your 2nd choice when your favorite is unable to > win, because your 2nd choice is no longer there. > > FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. > We have a word for intentional false statements. It’s > called a lie. > > When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting > buyer, we have a word for that too. It’s called fraud. > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis > <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: > > But if we're being precise, Best could never be > "eliminated" in your scenario. There would be only > two candidates left, and so the tallying would > necessarily end in that round with two candidates. > Anyone who ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their > ballot counted towards Best in the final round, > after Good is eliminated. It would never be > counted towards Worst. > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff > <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > Greg— > > In my example, I said that first Good gets > eliminated, & then Best gets eliminated. > > So all that remains is Worst. > > I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that > the Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd > choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was > to  Worst. > > …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said > “Best-supporters”, when I meant “Good-supporters”. > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis > <greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: > > Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, > there are only two candidates (Best and > Worst) remaining, and whichever of those > two with the most votes wins. That sample > ballot counts for "Best" in the final > round -- it is never counted for "Worst." > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael > Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > I said: > > No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for > your 2^nd choice] , unless your 2nd > choice is still there. Oops !!! You & > > Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" > > … > > Michael Garman said: > > … > > Fine…it counts for your next highest > choice still in the running. Which is > > also a reasonable interpretation of > the “next choice” language you cite. > > Satisfied? > > … > > Does that person have any idea what > he’s saying? > > … > > Say the election is between Best, > Good, &Worst. > > … > > You rank Best>Good>Worst. > > … > > Good gets eliminated first, & then > Best gets eliminated, & either hir > ballots don’t have a 2^nd choice, or > hir transfers go to Worst. According > to our friend here, now Good is no > longer your 2^nd choice. The > elimination of Good makes Worst your > 2^nd choice, & so FairVote’s promise > is kept:Your 2^nd choice, Worst is > elected !! > > … > > Oh, but wait, it gets even better: > > … > > Worst isn’t only your 2^nd choice > now:By our IRVist friend’s definition > of “choice”, now Worst becomes your > 1^st choice (because he’s the only > remaining candidate). > > … > > Congratulations !! You’ve elected your > 1^st choice, Worst !!!~ > > … > > Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I > present to you exhibit B, further > confirmation of the universal > astounding dishonesty of the promotion > of RCV. > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see > https://electorama.com/em for list info > > > > -- > *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* > Voter Choice Massachusetts > > e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org > p :: 617.835.9161 <tel:617.835.9161> > w :: voterchoicema.org > <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> > > :: Follow us on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - see > https://electorama.com/em for list info > > > ---- > Election-Methods mailing list - seehttps://electorama.com/em for list info

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:41 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > > > If D is eliminated first, your ballot counts for G vs. R in round 2. > The promise was about when 1st choice can’t win. When it’s determined that Green’s votecount loses to Republican’s votecount, Your next-ranked choice, the Democrat, is no longer there. Contrary to FairVote’s promise, you didn’t help hir. The dishonesty of that false promise is recognized throughout the electoral reform movement. Continuing to talk to a cult-Irvist is pointless. > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:39 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> >> Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s >>> pretty self-evident. >>> >> >> No, what’s evident is that FairVote promises that, if your favorite is >> the Green, & you rank sincerely, Green>Democrat>Republican, your ballot >> will count for the Democrat if the Green can’t win. >> >> No one but you interprets it to mean that your ballot will help your >> 3rd-choice, the Republican to win. >> >> No one but you interprets that promise to mean the Republican as your >> next choice. >> >> Your dishonest contortions are cultish. >> >>> >>> I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? >>> Honest question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from >>> them. If I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. >>> >>> It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of >>> legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to >>> FairVote and allies. >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no >>>> longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. >>>> >>>> Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. That >>>> wasn’t FairVote’s promise. >>>> >>>> EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the >>>> wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, >>>> & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. >>>> >>>> I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been >>>> “doing the work”. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman < >>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try >>>>> talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >>>>> recommend it :) >>>>> >>>>> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >>>>> “next choice.” >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what FairVote >>>>>> promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your 2nd-choice. >>>>>> Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of your >>>>>> 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice >>>>>> WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your >>>>>> other choices have lost. >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice >>>>>> !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>>>>> >>>>>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >>>>>> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>>>>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>>>>> resumed doing so. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >>>>>> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her >>>>>> for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what >>>>>>> FairVote promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>>>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>>>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>>>>> longer there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a >>>>>>>> word for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a >>>>>>>> word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in >>>>>>>>> your scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then >>>>>>>>>> Best gets eliminated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters >>>>>>>>>> either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to >>>>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, >>>>>>>>>> when I meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , >>>>>>>>>>>> unless your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the >>>>>>>>>>>> running. Which is >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language >>>>>>>>>>>> you cite. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & >>>>>>>>>>>> either hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers >>>>>>>>>>>> go to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>> choice, & so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, >>>>>>>>>>>> Worst is elected !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice >>>>>>>>>>>> (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> and >>>>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>>> list info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

Okay, so G can't win. Move your eyes up to the very previous sentence I wrote. > If G is eliminated first, your ballot counts for D vs. R in round 2. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:55 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:41 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> > wrote: > >> >> >> If D is eliminated first, your ballot counts for G vs. R in round 2. >> > > The promise was about when 1st choice can’t win. When it’s determined that > Green’s votecount loses to Republican’s votecount, Your next-ranked choice, > the Democrat, is no longer there. Contrary to FairVote’s promise, you > didn’t help hir. > > The dishonesty of that false promise is recognized throughout the > electoral reform movement. > > Continuing to talk to a cult-Irvist is pointless. > > > >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:39 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < >>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s >>>> pretty self-evident. >>>> >>> >>> No, what’s evident is that FairVote promises that, if your favorite is >>> the Green, & you rank sincerely, Green>Democrat>Republican, your ballot >>> will count for the Democrat if the Green can’t win. >>> >>> No one but you interprets it to mean that your ballot will help your >>> 3rd-choice, the Republican to win. >>> >>> No one but you interprets that promise to mean the Republican as your >>> next choice. >>> >>> Your dishonest contortions are cultish. >>> >>>> >>>> I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? >>>> Honest question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from >>>> them. If I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. >>>> >>>> It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of >>>> legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to >>>> FairVote and allies. >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no >>>>> longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. >>>>> >>>>> Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. >>>>> That wasn’t FairVote’s promise. >>>>> >>>>> EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the >>>>> wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, >>>>> & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. >>>>> >>>>> I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been >>>>> “doing the work”. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman < >>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. Try >>>>>> talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >>>>>> recommend it :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >>>>>> “next choice.” >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what >>>>>>> FairVote promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your >>>>>>> 2nd-choice. Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of >>>>>>> your 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice >>>>>>> WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your >>>>>>> other choices have lost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining choice >>>>>>> !!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in New >>>>>>> Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>>>>>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>>>>>> resumed doing so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who was >>>>>>> there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask her >>>>>>> for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>>>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what >>>>>>>> FairVote promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>>>>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>>>>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>>>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>>>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>>>>>> longer there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a >>>>>>>>> word for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have >>>>>>>>> a word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in >>>>>>>>>> your scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then >>>>>>>>>>> Best gets eliminated. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the >>>>>>>>>>> Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice >>>>>>>>>>> transfer was to Worst. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, >>>>>>>>>>> when I meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , >>>>>>>>>>>>> unless your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> running. Which is >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language >>>>>>>>>>>>> you cite. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & >>>>>>>>>>>>> either hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers >>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, & so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Worst is elected !! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist friend’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice >>>>>>>>>>>>> (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> >>>>>>>>>> and Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for >>>>>>>>> list info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>

On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:57 Michael Garman <michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: > Okay, so G can't win. Move your eyes up to the very previous sentence I > wrote. > > > If G is eliminated first, your ballot counts for D vs. R in round 2. > Yes: “IF”. Oops!! FairVote forgot to say “maybe” or “if…”. > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:55 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:41 Michael Garman < >> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> If D is eliminated first, your ballot counts for G vs. R in round 2. >>> >> >> The promise was about when 1st choice can’t win. When it’s determined >> that Green’s votecount loses to Republican’s votecount, Your next-ranked >> choice, the Democrat, is no longer there. Contrary to FairVote’s promise, >> you didn’t help hir. >> >> The dishonesty of that false promise is recognized throughout the >> electoral reform movement. >> >> Continuing to talk to a cult-Irvist is pointless. >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:39 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:26 Michael Garman < >>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> Your next choice is your next highest choice in the running. That’s >>>>> pretty self-evident. >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, what’s evident is that FairVote promises that, if your favorite is >>>> the Green, & you rank sincerely, Green>Democrat>Republican, your ballot >>>> will count for the Democrat if the Green can’t win. >>>> >>>> No one but you interprets it to mean that your ballot will help your >>>> 3rd-choice, the Republican to win. >>>> >>>> No one but you interprets that promise to mean the Republican as your >>>> next choice. >>>> >>>> Your dishonest contortions are cultish. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I did forget about EqualVote, but what has EqualVote accomplished? >>>>> Honest question. I haven’t seen anything of a grassroots presence from >>>>> them. If I’m wrong, correct me — their mission is admirable. >>>>> >>>>> It’s certainly not a stretch to say that the overwhelming majority of >>>>> legislative and ballot-measure electoral reform accomplishments belong to >>>>> FairVote and allies. >>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:22 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your next choice after your 1st choice is your 2nd-choice, who is no >>>>>> longer there when your 1st choice is determined to lose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your next remaining choice at that time is Worst, your 3rd choice. >>>>>> That wasn’t FairVote’s promise. >>>>>> >>>>>> EqualVote has been “out there doing the work”. …but without all the >>>>>> wealth that did the work for FairVote. EqualVote are a newer organization, >>>>>> & therefore haven’t been “doing the work” for as long. >>>>>> >>>>>> I merely question the honesty & morality of how FairVote has been >>>>>> “doing the work”. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 11:08 Michael Garman < >>>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> “Our cult” are the only people actually out there doing the work. >>>>>>> Try talking to voters instead of hiding behind your keyboard sometime. I >>>>>>> recommend it :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Show me where FairVote explicitly states “second choice” rather than >>>>>>> “next choice.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evidently it’s necessary to repeat that, no, that isn’t what >>>>>>>> FairVote promises. They promise that your ballot will count toward your >>>>>>>> 2nd-choice. Not the same thing. Your ballot, & its 2nd-choice ranking of >>>>>>>> your 2nd-choice didn’t help your 2nd choice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your last remaining choice? Undeniably your last remaining choice >>>>>>>> WINS, because your 3rd choice is the only remaining one when all of your >>>>>>>> other choices have lost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Congratulations, you have the election of your last remaining >>>>>>>> choice !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> …by your strained dishonest argument. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your cult isn’t part of the electoral-reform movement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The leaders of several single-winner-reform organizations met in >>>>>>>> New Orleans, & in that meeting, some of them called Rob Richie on the lie. >>>>>>>> Richie promised to stop telling the lie in his promotion of RCV. …but soon >>>>>>>> resumed doing so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you want me to prove it. It was told to me by someone who >>>>>>>> was there. Sara Wolk, the Director of the EqualVote Coalition. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shall I ask her for the date of the meeting? I will. Shall I ask >>>>>>>> her for the names of the other participants too? I’ll do that too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We wouldn’t want to lie, would we :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:38 Michael Garman < >>>>>>>> michael.garman@rankthevote.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your ballot helps your highest remaining choice. That's what >>>>>>>>> FairVote promises. Back when this conversation was active in December, you >>>>>>>>> cheerfully promised to immediately deliver receipts substantiating your >>>>>>>>> claims of deception and failed to do so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 7:33 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st >>>>>>>>>> instead of ranking Good 1st. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd >>>>>>>>>> choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no >>>>>>>>>> longer there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a >>>>>>>>>> word for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have >>>>>>>>>> a word for that too. It’s called fraud. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in >>>>>>>>>>> your scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying >>>>>>>>>>> would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who >>>>>>>>>>> ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the >>>>>>>>>>> final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards >>>>>>>>>>> Worst. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Greg— >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then >>>>>>>>>>>> Best gets eliminated. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So all that remains is Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the >>>>>>>>>>>> Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice >>>>>>>>>>>> transfer was to Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, >>>>>>>>>>>> when I meant “Good-supporters”. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis < >>>>>>>>>>>> greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two >>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is never counted for "Worst." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff < >>>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless your 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You & >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Garman said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running. Which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> language you cite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either hir ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, & so FairVote’s promise is kept: Your 2nd choice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worst is elected !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now: By our IRVist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend’s definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice (because he’s the only remaining candidate). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> … >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> further confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promotion of RCV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> *Greg Dennis, Ph.D. :: Policy Director* >>>>>>>>>>> Voter Choice Massachusetts >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> e :: greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org >>>>>>>>>>> p :: 617.835.9161 >>>>>>>>>>> w :: voterchoicema.org <https://www.voterchoicema.org/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> :: Follow us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/yeson2rcv> >>>>>>>>>>> and Twitter <https://twitter.com/yeson2rcv> :: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em >>>>>>>>>> for list info >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>